The Kashmir conflict 2025.

xyz4321

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As previously mentioned in the thread from a telegram report, more reports coming of Pakistan allegedly using the Turkish Koral EW system that wreaked havoc on IAF.
Jaisalmer, Rajahstan is being shelled. I heavily suspect Pakistani forces could be doing all this to do a ground attack somewhere on the front.
If Jaisalmer is being shelled then Pak Army must have crossed the border because it is 200km inside India.

Interesting that the wreckage of the Rafale was found in Bathinda (Indian Punjab), but wreckage of the PL-15 was found in Hoshiarpur (Indian Punjab).

The distance between those two is roughly 170KM. And all other wreckage were found up north in the Jammu & Kashmir state.

Could that indicate a second Rafale (or another aircraft) was targeted near Hoshiarpur or is it likely from the same incident leading to the Bathinda crash?
PAF did claim 3 Rafale hits.

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Indian Authorities stopped IPL match in between due to security reasons in Dharmsala.
Dharmasala is like 1200km from the border. Wtf

I wonder why pakistan don't just sit back, taunt the indian, and continue to kill the rafales. after a few battles, IAF probably won't even have enough rafales to defend.
IAF probably moved far back to avoid PL-15.

China could increase troop readiness at Indian border to draw some attention. That could incentavise deescalation.
Which border though? Kashmir / Uttarakhand region or on the east Arunachal Pradesh / Chicken's Neck?

China is still a country that values politics and diplomacy over military affairs. The authorities obviously do not want to intensify this inexplicable conflict, especially when both sides are nuclear powers. It is reasonable for the military spokesmen not to taunt the Indians at this time.

but of course you can also interpret it as “didn't notice that I stepped on an ant.”
It's probably more appropriate to back the hundreds of insurgent groups inside India, particularly the ones in the north east bordering China, Myanmar and Bangladesh. Several Indian states there and all are ripe with seccessionist groups.

Interesting, I have noticed the Pakistan military has always packed a bigger punch than it seems given the country economic size, development and military budget. One the things I have noticed is that the country has an impressive military industrial complex with a strong focus in technology transfer. By co-developing its own weapons with countries like China gives Pakistan an significant operational advantage than countries that merely buy weapons, like most Gulf states do.
Couple years ago, there was a detailed study (maybe from Pew) on the economies of Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan. They found that India and Bangladesh overstate their economic indicators to draw in foreign investments, while Pakistan understates it's indicators to draw in foreign aid. Lol.

And there is this concept of the black economy in Pakistan, i.e. a substantial portion of the entire economy is totally unaccounted for. This is somewhat visible if you live there.

Pakistan has less than 1/10th the defense budget of India, but it's equipment is between 1-1.5× smaller. Doesn't make sense.

I think Pakistan even wouldn't even need China step in. We have a fairly large Army, Navy and Air Force (Much bigger then Ukraine) which can handle India. I would imagine Pakistan would just need weapon supplies (which can be paid off after the war) in worse case scenario i.e full scale war (which i assume wouldn't be a problem for China).
In case there is a full blown war, it must be noted that Pakistani civilians are heavily armed. Every other person has an assault rifle or shotgun minimum. Add to that, the countless armed militia, paramilitary groups, etc whose numbers are probably several folds greater than Pak Army.

So tell us what crashed in Bathinda?
What he's trying to say is that a Rafale dropped it's one engine and its tail like a drop tank to reduce weight for evasive maneuvers. That's the only l̶o̶g̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ explanation.
 

siegecrossbow

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As previously mentioned in the thread from a telegram report, more reports coming of Pakistan allegedly using the Turkish Koral EW system that wreaked havoc on IAF.

If Jaisalmer is being shelled then Pak Army must have crossed the border because it is 200km inside India.


PAF did claim 3 Rafale hits.


Dharmasala is like 1200km from the border. Wtf


IAF probably moved far back to avoid PL-15.


Which border though? Kashmir / Uttarakhand region or on the east Arunachal Pradesh / Chicken's Neck?


It's probably more appropriate to back the hundreds of insurgent groups inside India, particularly the ones in the north east bordering China, Myanmar and Bangladesh. Several Indian states there and all are ripe with seccessionist groups.


Couple years ago, there was a detailed study (maybe from Pew) on the economies of Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan. They found that India and Bangladesh overstate their economic indicators to draw in foreign investments, while Pakistan understates it's indicators to draw in foreign aid. Lol.

And there is this concept of the black economy in Pakistan, i.e. a substantial portion of the entire economy is totally unaccounted for. This is somewhat visible if you live there.

Pakistan has less than 1/10th the defense budget of India, but it's equipment is between 1-1.5× smaller. Doesn't make sense.


In case there is a full blown war, it must be noted that Pakistani civilians are heavily armed. Every other person has an assault rifle or shotgun minimum. Add to that, the countless armed militia, paramilitary groups, etc whose numbers are probably several folds greater than Pak Army.


What he's trying to say is that a Rafale dropped its one engine and its tail like a drop tank to reduce weight for evasive maneuvers. That's the only l̶o̶g̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ explanation.

To be fair I’ve seen it happen in a Warner bros cartoon once.
 

enroger

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So there was a report earlier in CNN that cited a Pakistani military official who said there were 125 jets in the air during the 1 hour aerial engagement. My question is - have we seen any more A2A missile debris other than the two somewhat confirmed PL-15E missiles?

Did India get a chance to launch any of their ASRAAM or Meteor missiles in their inventory? Given that if was an intense engagement, there should have been countless more missiles fired and missile bodies found on both the India and Pakisani side

Yeah the lack of evidence of Indian A2A is noticeable. I'm beginning to think EW may have played a huge role in this lopsided exchange
 

ENTED64

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Appreciate your kind words!

There's enough photographic evidence, specifically that of a destroyed Snecma M88 turbofan, out of Bathinda District, Punjab to confirm the loss of one IAF Rafale on May 7th.

Beyond that, I have not come across any evidence reasonably indicative of the loss of a second Rafale.

Not to say it isn't necessarily out there, but you'll probably need to know the relevant local languages to really dig for it, should it exist.
Yeah I guess all we can say for now is we can confirm 1 Rafale loss. PAF claims 3 but for now only 1 is backed up by solid OSINT.

In Yankee’s podcast he also stated that it is entirely possible for some kills to fall in hard to reach places and the wreckage may not be discovered in years, if ever. He gave an example of an Indian helicopter crash during the 1962 war. Indians never claimed the loss and China only found out about it after stumbling upon the remains during patrol.
Makes sense. Plus with IAF jets staying on their side of the LoC/border if an IAF jet went down in a remote unpopulated place it's possible the IAF could successfully cover it up with nobody finding out about it forever basically.
 

Wrought

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Posting this here just for memes, but it's worth noting the aircraft from Eagles of Civilization returned home on the night of May 7. That is to say, PLAAF had J-10C, YY-20, and KJ-500 assets outside western China 24 hours beforehand.....roughly the same time and general vicinity of Pakistan using its own compatible aircraft to great effect.

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Speaking seriously, it's almost certainly nothing. Just interesting to note the coincidence.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Remember this:If it all goes very badly for India .like it is now(no surgical strikes,destroying Paks/Chinki maal) the Indians might very well blame China for this mess(this wouldn't happen if China had not given them PL15's)these desperate non-rational Jaihinds just might try to attack China in Ladakh,or AKsaiChin area-I do hope the PLA HAS raised its alert status/numbers just in case China has to put down a mad dog. looking for anyone to bite :mad:
That would be HIGHLY UNLIKELY, not to mention SUICIDAL for the Indian military and government if they are dumb enough to even entertain that idea let alone acting from it. But hey, it's their funeral!!
 

vincent

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As previously mentioned in the thread from a telegram report, more reports coming of Pakistan allegedly using the Turkish Koral EW system that wreaked havoc on IAF.
Now, it is very important to point out the fact that Pakistan has not announced or admitted the purchase of the KORAL
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system.

What a pathetic attempt at getting a piece of the glory.
 
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