i expect missed missiles to self destruct, however.
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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Yeah. If it is any consolation PL-15 is not the most advanced missile in PLAAF arsenal.
I mean there's 1 Rafale and 1 Mirage 2000 we're reasonably confident were downed. Maybe there is 1 more plane we don't know about yet.
Considering IAF did have quite a few fighters in the air and everybody knew this was coming it makes sense quite a lot of them were fired.
It was the export version so PLA knew it would probably be analyzed by others at some point. I don't think this really matters much.
Export version of a decade old missile. Not nothing, of course, but hardly a disaster.
Appreciate your kind words!
There's enough photographic evidence, specifically that of a destroyed Snecma M88 turbofan, out of Bathinda District, Punjab to confirm the loss of one IAF Rafale on May 7th.
Beyond that, I have not come across any evidence reasonably indicative of the loss of a second Rafale.
Not to say it isn't necessarily out there, but you'll probably need to know the relevant local languages to really dig for it, should it exist.
This is especially true when opposing forces are armed with (very) long range AAMs like the PL-15 and Meteor.
Moreover, at those engagement distances, don't be surprised if Mirage 2000s are mistaken for Rafales while Su-30s are misidentified as MiG-29s, especially if EW systems are intentionally emitting deceptive emissions.
洞洞 seems to think this is an interceptor from S-400. Might have launched to attempt to intercept PL-15E, missed then flew into Pakistan and then got intercepted by HQ-9 or HQ-16 instead thinking it was a ballistic missile. Pretty amusing if true.
I bet on China made its now 5090 earlier then Indian made such level T/R module
In Yankee’s podcast he also stated that it is entirely possible for some kills to fall in hard to reach places and the wreckage may not be discovered in years, if ever. He gave an example of an Indian helicopter crash during the 1962 war. Indians never claimed the loss and China only found out about it after stumbling upon the remains during patrol.
As previously mentioned in the thread from a telegram report, more reports coming of Pakistan allegedly using the Turkish Koral EW system that wreaked havoc on IAF.
And there is this concept of the black economy in Pakistan, i.e. a substantial portion of the entire economy is totally unaccounted for. This is somewhat visible if you live there.
Pakistan has less than 1/10th the defense budget of India, but it's equipment is between 1-1.5× smaller. Doesn't make sense.
If Jaisalmer is being shelled then Pak Army must have crossed the border because it is 200km inside India.
PAF did claim 3 Rafale hits.
Dharmasala is like 1200km from the border. Wtf
IAF probably moved far back to avoid PL-15.
Which border though? Kashmir / Uttarakhand region or on the east Arunachal Pradesh / Chicken's Neck?
It's probably more appropriate to back the hundreds of insurgent groups inside India, particularly the ones in the north east bordering China, Myanmar and Bangladesh. Several Indian states there and all are ripe with seccessionist groups.
Couple years ago, there was a detailed study (maybe from Pew) on the economies of Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan. They found that India and Bangladesh overstate their economic indicators to draw in foreign investments, while Pakistan understates it's indicators to draw in foreign aid. Lol.
And there is this concept of the black economy in Pakistan, i.e. a substantial portion of the entire economy is totally unaccounted for. This is somewhat visible if you live there.
Pakistan has less than 1/10th the defense budget of India, but it's equipment is between 1-1.5× smaller. Doesn't make sense.
In case there is a full blown war, it must be noted that Pakistani civilians are heavily armed. Every other person has an assault rifle or shotgun minimum. Add to that, the countless armed militia, paramilitary groups, etc whose numbers are probably several folds greater than Pak Army.
What he's trying to say is that a Rafale dropped it's one engine and its tail like a drop tank to reduce weight for evasive maneuvers. That's the only l̶o̶g̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ explanation.