The Kashmir conflict 2025.

leibowitz

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After some thinking, it may be a bad idea to sink the INS Vikrant, because it would actually be more expensive to allow India to waste their money operating that piece of crap.

although, if india is to get another carrier, it might be a even more expensive piece of crap
The INS Vikrant was operating in the Bay of Bengal over the last 2 days. In other words, as far away from the action as possible...
 
Su-57 is target of arguably loudest smearing campaign in modern aviation community. Most people doing that, on the check, don't know anything on subject matter. Like what's the point of pointing fingers at average quora aviation specialist, if someone like J. Bronk only discovered that su-57 doesn't have exposed rivets (unlike early prototypes) this winter. If actually informed speaking heads are this bad, what to expect from "pretty much the whole world".
The first Su-57 model to demonstrate a high level of surface finish did not emerge until last winter. The airframe has potential, and once all its subsystems and components as well as manufacturing processes reach maturity it should be a pretty formidable fighter. However, it remains to be seen how long it will take Russia to scale up production. It is likely going to be many years before production reaches a rate at which meaningful exports would be possible.
Vietnam and Philippines hates China and still too low budget.
Vietnam? Obviously somebody hasn't been paying attention to much news within the last.... 5 years or so (and especially the past few weeks). Though likelihood of Vietnam buying Chinese advanced military hardware is still low.

Pakistan would be hopeless in any prolonged conventional conflict against India. India has a population that is 5.6x times larger, an economy that is 11x larger (both real and nominal), a military budget that is 9x larger, and very importantly much greater strategic depth. The entirety of Pakistan, as well as all of Pakistani ports are well within range of short and medium range missiles from India, whereas the majority of Indian territory and most of India's ports are outside of strike range from Pakistan. The cost-effectiveness of Chinese weapons coupled with the corruption of Indian military procurement does not offset a difference on the order of magnitude in available resources. India vs Pakistan overmatch is even greater than that of Russia vs Ukraine.

Given the disparity in resources, Pakistan could not hope to comprehensively match India's conventional warfighting capabilities, and its strategy of focusing on pockets of excellence (ie PAF) is wise. Focus on capabilities that enable Pakistan to blunt and/or hit back against India in short, limited-scope confrontations rather than prepare to fight an all-out conventional war. Unlike Ukraine, Pakistan possesses a strategic arsenal which serves as the ultimate hedge against defeat in a major conventional conflict with India. As long as Pakistan maintains a credible strategic deterrent, India would not dare to pursue all-out conventional warfare against Pakistan.

Investing in AD? Useless if you cannot afford to spend at least twice as much on AD as your opponent does on offensive missile platforms, regardless of how advanced your AD systems are. Even Russian AD has been far from completely effective against Ukrainian missile strikes. It would be far more effective for Pakistan to instead invest in offensive capabilities in the form of drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles.

More importantly, Pakistan needs to focus on domestic stability, internal security, and economic growth. BRI and CPEC are tremendous opportunities for Pakistan. Pakistan should be looking to take over labor-intensive portions of Chinese supply chains. Pakistan should be attracting Chinese companies to build factories for the final assembly of Chinese products, which can then be shipped out to the rest of the world from Gwadar, Karachi, and Qasim. Once the foundations of a modern manufacturing base has been created, Pakistan can seek to further integrate with Chinese supply chains and take steps to move upwards in the value chain as well.
 
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snake65

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India should be reconsidering its decisions in everything right now.

The big issue is that leaving the Su-57 program and acquiring Rafales were personally pushed for by Modi. He believes that Rafale EW was superior to Su-57 physical stealth with IWB and shaping.

This turned out to be a huge mistake as Su-57 has been used in Ukraine yet never caught on radar or shot down, while Rafale gets shot down 100 km inside India. It is clear now that no amount of EW can compensate for physical vulnerability.

Their west worship has resulted in the worst blunder in IAF history.

I am very confident that if that had been a Su-57 and not a Rafale, at the very least, it wouldn't have been shot down minutes after takeoff in India's own territory.
Su-57 was never used across the frontline, no difference here with Indian Rafales. The difference was in opposition, Ukraine did not have BVR missiles. Somehow Su-57 is no longer mentioned in the news over Ukraine since F-16s arrived. No need to risk them, even if the risk isn't prominent, Russia has other assets a plenty.
 

ENTED64

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Pakistan would be hopeless in any prolonged conventional conflict against India. India has a population that is 5.6x times larger, an economy that is 11x larger (both real and nominal), a military budget that is 9x larger, and much greater strategic depth. The entirety of Pakistan, as well as all of Pakistani ports are well within range of short and medium range missiles from India, whereas the majority of Indian territory and most of India's ports are outside of strike range from Pakistan. The cost-effectiveness of Chinese weapons coupled with the corruption of Indian military procurement does not offset a difference on the order of magnitude in available resources. India vs Pakistan overmatch is on par with Russia vs Ukraine.
Yeah the biggest thing for Pakistan for the medium/long term against India is to improve its domestic economy. When Pakistan's per capita gdp is like half of India/Bangladesh things aren't going great. It's never going to have anywhere close to the population of India so it needs to catch up and ideally be better economically.
 
Like, in principle, there's little reason to buy mig-29m2 over J-10C, unless you're already an operator. J-10C is more advanced, yet it is almost certainly cheaper to operate (and more or less the same to procure). Yes, mig is probably better as a medium fighter-bomber, but...

...but Mig sold almost land-based 100 airframes (Syrian deal collapsed, but still) to new operators(market accessible to China), before Chengdu got its first order (from Pakistan). It's telling that no one even considered Chinese aircraft seriously - when resistance to it after 2014s would've been much lesser than resistance to a Russian bird.
Yes, part of it is Russian military prersense in Mediterranean. But another part is that until last few years, countries didn't even consider chinese aircraft seriously.
Another factor is production capacity. It's no coincidence that the first J-10 export order was signed after J-10 deliveries to the PLAAF stopped. It's likely that CAC simply could not supply the J-10 in the numbers and on the timetable most customers sought until after the PLAAF stopped ordering J-10s.
 
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Gloire_bb

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Su-57 was never used across the frontline, no difference here with Indian Rafales. The difference was in opposition, Ukraine did not have BVR missiles. Somehow Su-57 is no longer mentioned in the news over Ukraine since F-16s arrived. No need to risk them, even if the risk isn't prominent, Russia has other assets a plenty.
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Last one - two days ago. Where do you look? my screwup, but still - latest use i can find is bombing targets in Sumy region one month ago.

Admittedly not against PL-15, but the whole point is that VKS operations are basically unaffected by either AA or Ukrainian air (F-16 or no).
PL-15 in this case is interesting, because within its envelope it's hard to beat(proper BVRAAM) - combination of seeker and good maneuverability. Like, i personally suspect there's good chance SPECTRA may not react to it at all - Ku-band LPI seeker falling from above isn't something RWR system from 1990s was built for.

Russia in this case relies on R-37M*, which, while longer-ranged, is fatty - it is neither universal (you can't use it in close quarters) nor unbeatable(you can outmaneuver it down low, if you do right things in right moments).
*to be exact, no one knows what su-57 flies with for a2a domain. It can't take neither R-77-1 nor R-37M inside.
 
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Last one - two days ago. Where do you look?
Admittedly not against PL-15, but the whole point is that VKS operations are basically unaffected by either AA or Ukrainian air (F-16 or no).
PL-15 in this case is interesting, because within its envelope it's hard to beat(proper BVRAAM) - combination of seeker and good maneuverability.
Russia relies on R-37M, which, while longer-ranged, is fatty - it is neither universal (you can't use it in close quarters) nor unbeatable(you can outmaneuver it down low, if you do right things in right moments)..
This is Ukrainian source, not Russian, they can only guess what's operating against them over Kursk/Belgorod area (which means threat against Sumy/Poltava). Anyway, I doubt they are much worth in BVR with what they've got.
Don't make PL-15 to sound like a Wunderwaffe from single engagement, any proper BVR is hard to beat without proper warning.
 

F=XX Corsair

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Algeria may not have enough budget.
With 25 billion as annual defence budget they are the replica of the VVS, Algerian Air Force has the whole line up of fixed and rotary aircraft with exception of KA-52 & MIG-31 (Rumored procurement of SU-57/SU34).

Algeria is the launch customer of the WJ700 turbofan powered HALE UCAV, so there is a high chance to procure J-10 to replace old MIG-29s. (It would be nice to see SU-35/57 and J10/J35 in one airforce)

Delegation of high ranking officials taking picture in front of J-10 of the 72th brigade, note that the one sitting in the left corner is the current commander of the Algerian Air Force.
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Gloire_bb

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Don't make PL-15 to sound like a Wunderwaffe from single engagement, any proper BVR is hard to beat without proper warning.
Not a wunderwaffe, there's no such thing in our world - we are sadly bound by same physics and general tech level for most developed nations.
Just a weapon half a generation(or generation) ahead of general competition deployed around, and available on international market before similar systems reached wide service in US, Russia or in Europe. Dmestically.
The only exception is Japan, but AAM-4B isn't proper double burner.
 
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