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The Civil War in Libya
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In Asia Times appeared a fascinating article written by the former Indian ambassador M K Bhadrakumar about the Libyan no-fly zone and a lot more:
India together with South Africa and Brazil are against. The positions these three take with respect to Iran and Palestine as well as the no-fly zone are a slap in the face for the US and Israel.
India together with South Africa and Brazil are against. The positions these three take with respect to Iran and Palestine as well as the no-fly zone are a slap in the face for the US and Israel.
So let's see what we have here. I'm not familiar with "Maan News" but a brief look-over of their website revealed them to be adamantly pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli, with lots of anti-Semitic remarks in the comment section, etc. They don't seem like they would be scrupulous about posting anything that makes Israel look bad. The link to the Ron Paul site is a ranting forum post by an anonymous person. Press TV is directly funded by the Iranian government, I've seen many blatant lies in their articles before.
None of these articles directly claim anything, and none of them tell the same story, lots of them contain grammatical mistakes of various types. They all are second hand reports of things supposedly told to Yediot Aharonot newspaper and another Israeli news site, by an anonymous source. I couldn't find the original article on Yediot's website. Try as I might, I cannot seem to find the origin of this story, or anywhere where it has a shred of credibility. One of them names "Abduallah Sanussi", supposedly a high ranking officer in Libyan intelligence. I tried to dig some information about this man up, but I couldn't. The only connection that name has with Libya and Qaddafi is that a man named Abdullah Senussi attempted to overthrow Qaddafi in 1970 in a conspiracy with Libyan clans, according to Wiki.
All in all, this story meets the same standard of evidence as a particularly good UFO sighting. I'm no fan of Israel, they've done some shady business with some shady characters before, but please, don't try to dupe us with pseudo-sources.
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So let's wait for the "Free Media" where 80% of it's editors being duo-citizens to report it. Wait... I've seen many blatant lies in their articles before.
Remember those nay-Sayers, who says that Iraqi has no WMD (NUCLEAR), before and during shock and awe.. they were dragged behind a truck.
But you do not dispute US tabling the mercenary's immunity from prosecution for war crimes.. right ?
Let's leave it for now...
solarz
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Looks like the Libyan government's artillery and air force is finally starting to turn the tide of this war.
I wonder if the early ineffectiveness of the Libyan government forces is due to the massive desertions, which left many command posts vacant. Once the initial waves of desertions ended, what remains of the government army are loyal enough to start making use of their superior assets.
Finn said that the clock is ticking... yes, but it looks like it's ticking for the rebels right now...
The other BRICS countries, India, South Africa and Brazil are already opposed. No reason to think Russia and China will make another choice. Libanon is expected to oppose. That are six members of the Security Council including two permanent members.
Yeah, that's what I was saying. The rebel's greatest advantage was their political momentum, and that's drained away now. I think your analysis is quite correct. Empty command spots that caused confusion have been replaced with diehard loyalists. They don't need to be military geniuses, either.
It's frustrating to watch the rebel forces trying to hold the line at Ras Lanuf. Apparently they've almost all retreated from there. Qaddafi's forces didn't even have to seriously assault it. They just shelled it. Of course, being under shelling is terrifying and you feel helpless. But if the rebels had dug in, and had some sort of leadership and organization, they would not have been forced back by shelling alone. Apparently the only actual ground counterattack the government forces launched was comprised of 2 tanks (this according to a video report by Euronews). I don't even know if they attempted to close with the rebels. It sounded more like they were just sitting in the desert at long range, taking pot shots. If the rebels had some sort of organized logistics and command, they could have brought up their own tanks to drive them off.
I've watched a lot of videos of the last 12 hours, and I must say the shelling isn't that bad if we put it against historical precedents. In the exact same terrain, during WWII, infantry regularly withstood shelling that was far worse, and repelled attacks afterward. If the rebels had dug in and had someone to order them to stay when they wanted to run, they would still be holding the city. But that's how conflicts against "militia" type forces work. Psychological factors are often much more important than actual force.
Also, I've seen lots of Soviet MANPADs being carried by rebels, but I haven't seen any being used, despite the fact that they're always under attack from low flying aircraft. Why? General incompetence?
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solarz
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The key weakness of the rebels is that no central leadership has emerged among them to take command of the military campaign. If this continues, this "civil war" will quickly turn into a rebellion suppression.
Perhaps with foreign support, they can hold on to their territories long enough to sort out the leadership issue (if they're lucky). If they can't, then this rebellion is just doomed.