Tejas production by June

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Indianfighter

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Until you actually finish developing one or close to doing so, it's pointless to say it will be developed by a certain date.
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The Kaveri engine is close to development. The time frame of 2010 was expressed over the solving of the problem of system integration.

The Kabini core of the Kaveri was successful at the high-altitude tests performed in Moscow in 2002. (however, the Kaveri engine did not succeed the tests later).
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Just look at the delays it has already endured. There will be more delays to come.
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The Government of India has given approval to the GTRE for a technical collaboration with a foreign engine maker.
Pratt and Whitney, SNECMA and NPO Saturn have sent bids for further development of the Kaveri engine.
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Thus, it is likely that the Kaveri engine shall be completely developed by 2010.
 
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Light Combat Aircraft project to be completed in 2010

DARBHANGA (BIHAR), FEB 1 (PTI)
The Light Combat Aircraft project will be completed in year 2010 and India will be in a position to start the aircraft's commercial production the same year, project director of the Bangalore-based Aeronautics Development Agency R K Ramanathan has said.

Delivering a lecture on the strides made by India in the field of aeronautics organised by the commerce and management department of the L N Mithila university last evening, Ramanathan extolled the role played by President A P J Abdul Kalam and former project director of the ADA, Manas Bihari Verma, in developing the LCA technology.

He said that the scientists involved in the execution of the LCA project had succeeded in not only cutting down the weight of the aircraft by 600 kg to bring it at 12 tonnes, but also in bringing down the number of its components from over 30,000 to around 7,000.

Ramanathan said that the LCA being produced indigenously would be suited to India's security needs as also its climate which the imported LCAs were not. The LCA had already undertaken 485 test flights.

Manas Bihari Verma, a former project director of the ADA and friend of President A P J Abdul Kalam, said that India was only next to the US in developing the digital flight system technology.

He said that the first test flight of the LCA had lasted only 18 minutes, but it had now increased to 80 minutes.

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Naval pilot flies 'Tejas'
BANGALORE, FEB 1 (PTI)
The Tejas light combat aircraft achieved yet another milestone today when it was flown for the first time by a test pilot from the Indian Navy.

Commander J A Maolankar, an experienced Sea Harrier pilot, flew the Tejas (Technology Demonstrator-II) for about 30 minutes over Bangalore, Programme Director (Combat Aircraft) and Director of Aeronautical Development Agency, P S Subramanyam, who termed the flight a "breakthrough," said.

The Tejas is used to be flown by airforce pilots and this is the first time that a naval pilot has undertaken the task.

Commander Maolankar, who graduated from the IAF Test Pilots School in 1995, is posted at the NFTC (National Flight Test Centre) here and accomplished the task after having been trained by NFTC staff.

"The fact that no two-seat trainer exists for the Tejas makes this achievement significant," ADA officials said.

The Naval officer underwent a training capsule, which included a few flights on the Mirage-2000 of the IAF followed by simulator flying at the Aeronautical Development Establishment here.

Commander Maolankar became the 11th test pilot to have flown the Tejas.

ADA officials said development of the Naval version of the Tejas is well underway and flight-testing of the aircraft would also be entrusted to the composite team at NFTC.

Subramanyam said the naval variant of Tejas is expected to be ready by April next year.

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Here is an interesting article:

S.M. HALI
Expressing hope that the Light Combat Aircraft ‘Tejas’ being developed by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), will be able to fulfill the requirements of Indian Armed Forces for achieving self-reliance in defence technology, Indian Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee failed to inform the Parliamentary Consultative Committee for the Ministry of Defence that the Indian Air Force, which was supposed to replace the aging MiG-21 and MiG-23 fleet with the LCA, is yet to place the order for a single aircraft. Small wonder because 23 years have passed since its inception in 1983 and the final product is nowhere in sight.

Defenders of the LCA will try and justify the chequered history of India’s second indigenous jet fighter blaming US sanctions for the delay although in August 1998, A.P.J. Abdul Kalam as Scientific Adviser to the Defence Minister had announced in Bangalore that “the LCA, post-Pokhran sanctions by the United States notwithstanding, would be inducted into the IAF in 2003.†This has since been revised to 2010 and has every likelihood of being further delayed.

An update on the Tejas has been provided by Ravi Sharma, in his article ‘No take-off in sight’, December 17-30, 2005 of the Frontline magazine. The columnist discloses: “The relatively successful maiden flight of Prototype Vehicle-2 or PV-2, of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas on December 1 (2005) is cause enough for celebration. Success in the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA)-driven, Rs 5,500-crore, 22-year-old programme has come at huge costs and infrequently. Since the LCA rolled out in 1995, the ADA has been able to fly just four aircraft – TD-1 (Technical Demonstrator-1), TD-2 (Technical Demonstrator-2) and PV-1 (Prototype Vehicle-1).


The full operationalisation of the fourth-generation combat aircraft, to replace the ageing MiG-21 fleet with the Indian Air Force (IAF), is not expected for another 10 years. But, even by the ADA’s revised schedules it has flown at least a year late. Its maiden flight was marred by a fuel problem, forcing the flight to be restricted to 20-25 minutes. The non-availability of the Engine Driven Pump (EDP) also forced the ADA to cannibalise PV-1 for this, making the latter unserviceable (read cannot fly). PV-2 is also not in a serviceable condition until the fuel problem is rectified.â€

The two most crucial components of a fighter aircraft are the engine and the radar, around which the weapons and avionic systems are integrated. Both components are nowhere in sight in the LCA project. Although currently General Electric’s (GE) 404 F2J3 engine powers the LCA, it is planned that the indigenously developed one, Kaveri, will eventually replace it.

But Kaveri, the ‘Achilles heel’ in the successful development of the LCA, has been slipping regularly. It has been under development since 1986 by the Bangalore-based Gas Turbine and Research Establishment (GTRE), and is still years away from completing the approximately 8,000 hours of testing required to complete the engine development phase. GTRE has finally admitted defeat in its efforts to go it alone and decided to bring in a foreign collaborator, for which Request for Proposals (RFPs) have been submitted by four combat aircraft engine developers – GE, Pratt and Whitney, Snecma Moteurs and NPO Saturn. It would still take GTRE four years along with its partner to develop a new engine.

The LCA’s Pulse Doppler Multi-Mode Radar (MMR), which will detect, track, terrain-map and deliver guided weapons even Beyond Visual Range (BVR), is also experiencing problems both in terms of time and cost overruns. With the MMR nowhere on the horizon, the ADA has had to make do with a weapon delivery pod, which is not a primary sensor, and hence critical weaponisation of the aircraft cannot be undertaken.

Quoting a retired IAF Air Marshal, Ravi Sharma further reveals, “Even 22 years later the programme hasn’t surmounted the IOC [Initial Operational Clearance] stage where the key components are weapon and stores integration. Following IOC, the aircraft will have to get the Final Operational Clearance [FOC], which will mean it is ready to go into combat.

But for the IOC, the aircraft will have to undertake around 1,200 sorties, many of which have to be pre-planned test flights, where requirements, objectives and parameters are clearly defined. This is nowhere near completion. Of the 470-odd sorties undertaken by the three LCA, hardly 5 percent can be counted towards IOC flying. The rest have been cash flying, data generation flying, or flying during displays before dignitaries or the public in air shows.â€

IAF, which has shown exasperation in the need to replenish its aging fleet, has already asked for an immediate induction of 126 fighter aircraft, for which various foreign manufacturers are competing. On the other hand, India is extremely keen for the success of the LCA project to uphold the credibility of its aeronautical industry. However, with delays and obsolescence setting in at a rapid pace, IAF would be reluctant to induct the LCA.

Unless there is a firm order, the cost per unit of LCA-Tejas would climb sky high. Indian defence planners would be imprudent to press on pumping big chunks of their defence capital budget over a weapon system; neither IAF nor any foreign buyer would be interested in.

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Indianfighter

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Mr. S.M. Hali ( a former Pakistani general) wrote that article in Dec. 2005, about the same time that the news of Tejas Production in June was released.
It is hoped that he saw that news report.

Whatever he has written (about the Kaveri, indigenous MMR, etc.) has been compiled from previous Indian media reports that criticized the LCA Tejas.
 

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Indianfighter said:
Mr. S.M. Hali ( a former Pakistani general) wrote that article in Dec. 2005, about the same time that the news of Tejas Production in June was released.
It is hoped that he saw that news report.

Whatever he has written (about the Kaveri, indigenous MMR, etc.) has been compiled from previous Indian media reports that criticized the LCA Tejas.
well, you can't really expect a Pakistani general to be partial in writing about LCA. From what I read, it seems LCA will officially be joining service in the turn of this decade.
 

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Manas Bihari Verma, a former project director of the ADA and friend of President A P J Abdul Kalam, said that India was only next to the US in developing the digital flight system technology.

This is a biased statement. I am sure the Russians, the French, the British, the Chinese, the Israelis, the Swedes, and the Japanese would disagree with this statement.

Does India have a lot of programmers? Yes.

But I don't see anything to suggest they have sufficient experience in avionics programming to compare to these other countries, with the possible exception of China.
 

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Cash crunch stalls Tejas
SUJAN DUTTA

New Delhi, Feb. 5: The Indian Air Force has cited a resource crunch and is going slow on placing an order for the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) called Tejas despite repeated requests from the defence research establishment.

The Indian Air Force is now in the middle of a process to acquire 126 multi-role combat aircraft and with the LCA project limping, air headquarters is studying whether it should actually work to acquire more — about 200 — aircraft.

The LCA is just one of the Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO) projects that smacks, typically, of over-promise and under-delivery. But the research organisation’s chief, M. Natarajan, believes that no deadline can be set for its projects and that the sloth does not add to the tax-payers’ burden.

The DRDO that is developing the LCA jointly with the defence public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has been waiting expectantly for the IAF order to infuse funds into the project and also to get a user’s assurance.

Though air headquarters has not said so in public, it is weighing whether it should commit funds because it is anticipating a resource crunch for the big ticket purchases of multi-role combat aircraft — that could cost the exchequer more than $5 billion over 10 years — and other equipment that it has projected as an immediate need.

Natarajan, who is also the scientific adviser to the defence minister, said during the CII-defence ministry organised Defexpo 2006 that concluded yesterday, that HAL would be given a production order for 20 LCA — the aircraft was christened Tejas by former Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee — only after the air force gets the approval for its funds.

Natarajan claimed the weapons integration process for the LCA has been completed.

The LCA was projected to replace the IAF’s ageing MiG 21 air defence fighter as the mainstay of its fighter fleet in a decade but slippages and disruptions delayed the project and upset perspective planning in defence headquarters.

One of the major causes of the slippages in production is the delay in the development of the Kaveri engine that was planned to power the aircraft. But the development of the Kaveri, already hit because of US sanctions (since lifted) that followed the 1998 nuclear tests, has run into more trouble with ground tests of the engine in Russia showing poor results.
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Indianfighter said:
Manas Bihari Verma, a former project director of the ADA and friend of President A P J Abdul Kalam, said that India was only next to the US in developing the digital flight system technology.

What a biased statement. The french are obviously the masters of developing FBW and other associated avionics for aircraft. The Thales topsight clearly dominates the HMS feild. If india has the best flight control technology, why did they put french avionics on the su-30MKI?
 
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ajaybhutani

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I think you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselfs here. First, develop Kaveri and certify it (same goes with Astra), then start talking about LCA having them.
well just a reality check.. WS10 is still not certified but u still talk about fitting it into J10/J11. if thats ok. then even this shud be
 
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