Taiwan plans to build 500 cruise missiles

MIGleader

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zergling, you make an excellent point. however, a counter strike method is not the best way to deal with an attack. Rather than striking back with cruise missles AFTER getting a bloody nose, why not stock up on Air defence equipment to PREVENT a strike from even happening? that would be like saying "your free to attack, but expect to suffer heavy casualties".
 
The_Zergling

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MIGleader said:
zergling, you make an excellent point. however, a counter strike method is not the best way to deal with an attack. Rather than striking back with cruise missles AFTER getting a bloody nose, why not stock up on Air defence equipment to PREVENT a strike from even happening? that would be like saying "your free to attack, but expect to suffer heavy casualties".
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I agree that stocking up on Air Defense Equipment would be the best way to go if Taiwan wants to stave off a Chinese invasion.

Although I think anyone would have to agree that having the missiles is pretty much also the same thing as saying, "You're free to attack, but expect to suffer heavy casualties" only in a more revengeful way...

Another thing that's worth noting is that the success rate of a cruise missile hitting a huge city like Shanghai and doing a lot of damage is relatively high, whereas the guarantee of the effectiveness of SAMs and Air to Air missiles isn't.

The Chinese invasion force MIGHT get shot down if Taiwan stocks up on a lot of SAMs and AMRAAMS. But Beijing (Or Shanghai, or whatever city, it's all hypothetical) WILL take a cruise missile in the face if you attack... It's effective. Vengeful and pointless, but effective nonetheless, therefore a good deterrent..

BTW... I must say this is the first time I have seen the real Vince in action... got to say he gives us Taiwanese a real bad name...
 
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Wouldn't attacking mainland china provoke china to use more force or even WMD's? i too agree the need for air defense is in greater urgency for the Taiwan than cruise missles. What is the point of striking back if you are getting destroyed. you will have to focus on destroying the invasion force not the civilians. having greater defense will give you more time to counter attack.
 
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For sure, using cruise missiles would provoke an even greater attack, which is why I wouldn't advocate them in the first place...

Although your point about air defense missiles is only semi valid, in my point of view... unless China hits Taiwan first with a nuke, it isn't really feasible all the cruise missile batteries would be destroyed...

Indeed, to me there is no point in striking back if you are already getting destroyed. I disagree with your reason for stating this point, however.

Focusing on destroying the invasion force is what I would be planning on in terms of defense, because obviously there would be less international backlash. Using the Cruise Missile strategy would be "North Korea" style.

But the thing with MAD is that it is pretty effective most of the time. Besides, if China's mission objective was to kill civilians there's not much of a chance Taiwan could do much about it, there's not enough Patriots to go around.

Right now most of the missiles are tightly bunched in strategically valuable areas, it would be infeasible to have the entire island defended by SAMs.
 
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The_Zergling said:
For sure, using cruise missiles would provoke an even greater attack, which is why I wouldn't advocate them in the first place...

Although your point about air defense missiles is only semi valid, in my point of view... unless China hits Taiwan first with a nuke, it isn't really feasible all the cruise missile batteries would be destroyed...

Indeed, to me there is no point in striking back if you are already getting destroyed. I disagree with your reason for stating this point, however.

Focusing on destroying the invasion force is what I would be planning on in terms of defense, because obviously there would be less international backlash. Using the Cruise Missile strategy would be "North Korea" style.

But the thing with MAD is that it is pretty effective most of the time. Besides, if China's mission objective was to kill civilians there's not much of a chance Taiwan could do much about it, there's not enough Patriots to go around.

Right now most of the missiles are tightly bunched in strategically valuable areas, it would be infeasible to have the entire island defended by SAMs.
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I can only comment on What Taiwan would do according to what some of the hardliners in TI think. I'm sure there are plenty of TI who would send cruise missiles/ballistic missiles to Shanghai out of vengeance.
 
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Vlad Plasmius

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Well, the problem is they can't have them all out on launchers. The launchers may be mobile but storage houses aren't. Most will be in storage so the Chinese can easily wipe out most of their missiles in a first strike or at least make the Taiwanese work harder and lower readiness.
 
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crazyinsane105 said:
(also helps since half of Taiwan's population wants to reunite with China).
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Sorry i just had to correct that, 1/2 of ROC's population is pan-blue, that does not equal to 1/2 of ROC's population support reunification with China. That's all. Also hi to everyone on Sinodefence...havnt been here in a long time:) .
 
MIGleader

MIGleader

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The_Zergling said:
For sure, using cruise missiles would provoke an even greater attack, which is why I wouldn't advocate them in the first place...

Although your point about air defense missiles is only semi valid, in my point of view... unless China hits Taiwan first with a nuke, it isn't really feasible all the cruise missile batteries would be destroyed...

Indeed, to me there is no point in striking back if you are already getting destroyed. I disagree with your reason for stating this point, however.

Focusing on destroying the invasion force is what I would be planning on in terms of defense, because obviously there would be less international backlash. Using the Cruise Missile strategy would be "North Korea" style.

But the thing with MAD is that it is pretty effective most of the time. Besides, if China's mission objective was to kill civilians there's not much of a chance Taiwan could do much about it, there's not enough Patriots to go around.

Right now most of the missiles are tightly bunched in strategically valuable areas, it would be infeasible to have the entire island defended by SAMs.
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alright, never mind the SAMs for now. There are still PLA units with mobile missles and AAA.

If taiwan responded to a PLA military attack by bombing civilians in china, almost all international support for taiwanese independence would dry up.

also, building 500 new missles isnt the same as feilding them. Logistics, command, and deployment must be maintained. We dont want a KMT commmander who hates china getting trigger happy...
 
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vincelee

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Taiwan fielding 500 cruise missiles........I don't know what to say. If Taiwan goes for counter value and bomb Shanghai and Guang Dong, it would piss a lot of people off, CMC included. The best choice for Taiwan is to either bend over for PRC or bend over for USA. Take your pick.
 
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walter

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Why does everyone assume Taiwan would target Chinese population centers? These cruise missles have far more value if aimed at fixed Chinese military installations that would be diretly involved in any invasion scenario. Getting through airdefense systems would be difficult, but with 500, I imagine a few Chinese sites could be over saturated. I guess my main point here is that I highly doubt Taiwan would target population centers in China--as many have already pointed out that is a no win situation. Mainland Chinese would simply demand more blood and the international community would condemn such an action as well--I am sure Taiwanese military leaders and politicans are acutely aware of these and other disadvantages of a civilian strike.
 
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