SampanViking said:Hi Sampanviking,
The last one here will be accused of flaming and off topic would be you. So before that Fumanchu and i would take the title first.
Let hope you are right.
Younger executive will be more open minded, but they might also have less ability and power to control the situations.
Agreed, we should let time to do the judgement and unfolds the future.The only exception to all of these factors is of course ... Mr Chen.
I have probably taken this topic as far as I can for the time being, we at least now understand each others position and we will be able to pick this up again as the situation unfolds.
Untill then, I look forward to seeing you in Chinese Economy Today.
The 500 cruise missiles will not make much different on the situation, and probably will not alter any significant balance of power. And this is all I am going to say, before I get the W from mods.
Taiwan plans to build 500 cruise missiles
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(星島日報報道)台灣軍方正在離大陸僅約六十公里的東引島配置雄風二型導彈，這是台灣首次在這個由台灣控制最北端的小島配置反艦導彈。台灣媒體分析認為，雄風二型射程可達一百五十公里，其可以有效扼制福建閩江口，同時也對南下的大陸東海艦隊形成威脅。但分析也指出，台軍這次在東引島設置導彈，打破了兩岸軍事默契。
據台灣東森電視台昨日透露，為了要達到決戰境外的戰略構想，增加台灣的防禦縱深，台灣的國防部海軍司令部已決定在東引島配置射程可達一百五十公里的岸射型「雄風二型」反艦導彈。其一旦完成部署，可以有效扼制大陸閩江口，台灣將佔有制海的軍事優勢。
不過東森的分析也指出，過去兩岸間都有不做所謂
進部署的默契，也就是在台灣海峽不部署射程大於五十海里（約一百公里）的導彈，但自從九五年大陸第一次在台海發動導彈試射之後，台軍就在東引島配置「天弓一型」防空導彈，當時就曾引起大陸、美國及日本的關切。如今台灣國防部更進一步，在東引島部署反艦導彈，而且射程範圍遠至大陸福建內陸，勢必再一次挑戰兩岸間的軍事默契。
其實，英國的《簡氏防務周刊》早在二○○四年就透露台灣軍方有在東引島部署「天弓二型」防空導彈和「雄風二型」反艦導彈的計畫，同時計畫配置的還包括一個大型的雷達基地，此將台灣對大陸的「防禦前」向前大大推進。台灣新型雷達和導彈基地的建立令大陸的一些重要空軍基地、導彈發射場和海軍設施都處於台導彈攻擊範圍之內。
《簡氏防務周刊》分析認為，台軍在東引島建導彈基地旨在限制大陸海空軍在台灣海峽北端的機動能力﹔而台軍在澎湖列島還建立有另一導彈基地，也部署了同樣的防空導彈和反艦導彈，它負責守台海南端。
台灣軍方高官也指出，部署在東引的「雄風二型」導彈對解放軍自北而下的東海艦隊有「嚇阻作用」。透過在東引島上部署各種尖端武器，以長短漸進的層次，形成有效防禦，增加戰略縱深。
東引島還與基隆的兩處「天弓」導彈陣地呼應，借此確保台澎金馬的空域安全，從而構成「捍台灣空防的第一道防」和「對大陸進行反擊的前沿陣地」。
2006/5/7
(星島日報報道)台灣軍方正在離大陸僅約六十公里的東引島配置雄風二型導彈，這是台灣首次在這個由台灣控制最北端的小島配置反艦導彈。台灣媒體分析認為，雄風二型射程可達一百五十公里，其可以有效扼制福建閩江口，同時也對南下的大陸東海艦隊形成威脅。但分析也指出，台軍這次在東引島設置導彈，打破了兩岸軍事默契。
據台灣東森電視台昨日透露，為了要達到決戰境外的戰略構想，增加台灣的防禦縱深，台灣的國防部海軍司令部已決定在東引島配置射程可達一百五十公里的岸射型「雄風二型」反艦導彈。其一旦完成部署，可以有效扼制大陸閩江口，台灣將佔有制海的軍事優勢。
不過東森的分析也指出，過去兩岸間都有不做所謂
進部署的默契，也就是在台灣海峽不部署射程大於五十海里（約一百公里）的導彈，但自從九五年大陸第一次在台海發動導彈試射之後，台軍就在東引島配置「天弓一型」防空導彈，當時就曾引起大陸、美國及日本的關切。如今台灣國防部更進一步，在東引島部署反艦導彈，而且射程範圍遠至大陸福建內陸，勢必再一次挑戰兩岸間的軍事默契。
其實，英國的《簡氏防務周刊》早在二○○四年就透露台灣軍方有在東引島部署「天弓二型」防空導彈和「雄風二型」反艦導彈的計畫，同時計畫配置的還包括一個大型的雷達基地，此將台灣對大陸的「防禦前」向前大大推進。台灣新型雷達和導彈基地的建立令大陸的一些重要空軍基地、導彈發射場和海軍設施都處於台導彈攻擊範圍之內。
《簡氏防務周刊》分析認為，台軍在東引島建導彈基地旨在限制大陸海空軍在台灣海峽北端的機動能力﹔而台軍在澎湖列島還建立有另一導彈基地，也部署了同樣的防空導彈和反艦導彈，它負責守台海南端。
台灣軍方高官也指出，部署在東引的「雄風二型」導彈對解放軍自北而下的東海艦隊有「嚇阻作用」。透過在東引島上部署各種尖端武器，以長短漸進的層次，形成有效防禦，增加戰略縱深。
東引島還與基隆的兩處「天弓」導彈陣地呼應，借此確保台澎金馬的空域安全，從而構成「捍台灣空防的第一道防」和「對大陸進行反擊的前沿陣地」。
2006/5/7
The_Zergling
Junior Member
Supplemental picture...
Keep in mind that the map isn't completely to scale, though.
Basically it says that Taiwan has decided to place Hsieng-Fung 2 Anti-Ship missiles with a range of 80 NM on several outlying islands; once installation is complete, they will be able to challenge several areas in the Taiwan Strait.
Keep in mind that the map isn't completely to scale, though.
Basically it says that Taiwan has decided to place Hsieng-Fung 2 Anti-Ship missiles with a range of 80 NM on several outlying islands; once installation is complete, they will be able to challenge several areas in the Taiwan Strait.
This is from Global Security. It compares Normandy and Taiwan. Doesn't make it look too good for the attackers does it? (It is from 2000 though.)
The_Zergling
Junior Member
Yeah, I saw that one from Global Security several years ago as well. One very important factor that it didn't take into account was the inevitable barrage of ballistic missiles China would unleash before an amphibious invasion, and what the effects might be on the defenders...
Sorry, but for the benfit of this and other "Guilo" can somebody take the time and effort to translate Kyli article (into English just in case any comedians are reading).
Based on what I heard though it simply re-inforces my view of Chen and the DPP losing ever greater contact with reality on his ongoing political "Flight to Nowhere".
The kind of rhetoric and actions he is taking would work well if he was dealing with a closed, militaristic country, bit somehow this "Evil Empire" bit just does not jell, when most of your country's movers and shakers spend half their lives doing business over there.
Based on what I heard though it simply re-inforces my view of Chen and the DPP losing ever greater contact with reality on his ongoing political "Flight to Nowhere".
The kind of rhetoric and actions he is taking would work well if he was dealing with a closed, militaristic country, bit somehow this "Evil Empire" bit just does not jell, when most of your country's movers and shakers spend half their lives doing business over there.
Roger604
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KYli said:
It just says that they are deploying the Hsiung Feng 2 antiship cruise missile battery on to this island (Dong Ying), which is the northernmost island controlled by the ROC. It has a range of 150 km. It is intended to increase Taiwan's strategic depth and help sea control.
They also have a Sky Bow missile system -- apparently a SAM -- on the island. They intend to build a large radar station too. Janes apparently reported the ROC military's intent back in 2004.
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KYli said:
Err, surely 500 cruise missiles could make a heck of a lot of difference in a potential war. What exactly did you base that assessment on, Kyli? They won't win a conflict for Taiwan but used properly could give them an edge they currently don't have.
SampanViking said:
Didn't you hear the DDP's proposal a month or so ago that it would be willing to drop its aim for independence as a pre-req to talks with Beijing, so long as the mainland governemnt didn't insist any Taiwanese delegation had to commit to the one-China principle first? The Chinese government dismissed it out-of-hand. I think that proves Beijing is the problem, not Taipei, as they're the ones with all the demands.
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:roll: Fu Man Chu you should be on the stage:roll:
But seriously.
1) The commitment to the One China Policy is the best disavowment of Independance I can think of.
2) The One china Policy is the basis of the agreements reached between PRC and Taiwan in the 90's. any subsequent discussions and negotiations must start at this position and proceed in whatever direction by mutual consent. It is not for one party to tear up all previous agreements and recommence on an ad-hoc basis accorsding to their fancy. No govt anywhere would agree to talks on that basis.
The precondition of the PRC therefore is to continue from the point the last talks concluded. The precondition of the DPP is that they can set the discussions at any point of their choosing according to their whim.
If that isnt a flight of fancy I dont know what is
But seriously.
1) The commitment to the One China Policy is the best disavowment of Independance I can think of.
2) The One china Policy is the basis of the agreements reached between PRC and Taiwan in the 90's. any subsequent discussions and negotiations must start at this position and proceed in whatever direction by mutual consent. It is not for one party to tear up all previous agreements and recommence on an ad-hoc basis accorsding to their fancy. No govt anywhere would agree to talks on that basis.
The precondition of the PRC therefore is to continue from the point the last talks concluded. The precondition of the DPP is that they can set the discussions at any point of their choosing according to their whim.
If that isnt a flight of fancy I dont know what is