Taiwan Military News Thread

[tphuang]

Do you think an HF-III AShCM has enough range to destroy one and can anyone tell me the performance/specs of the HF-III.

I have read that it "outperforms the SN-22 SUNBURN" on the new Sovremmeny destroyers in PLAN service but nothing else other than the new Hazard Perry frigates in the ROCN have been modified to mount them,

Thanks

lol, outperforming sunburn is not a great achievement at al. Not sure about it's performance, but if you ask Bryan C on CDF, he will give you a rundown on how amazing it is.

The most effective way of killing a carrier, particularly a PLAN carrier as the air defences (AEGIS knock off of stolen US technology has not been battle proven yet) have not matured yet is to simply fire off as many AshM at it as you can-like the Soviets did in the Cold War-smart!

How is taiwan going to be capable of launching a mass attack? And you don't need an Aegis system to defend against a concentrated attack. Put a HH-16 VLS on the carrier + some Type 730 CIWS and then add in the protection given by HH-9 and HH-16 on the escorts, do you really think Taiwan can penetrate that with the limited number of launch platform they have?

The other thing to consider is how is Taiwan going to provide the OTH targetting for HF-3?

 

[Clouded Leopard]

How is taiwan going to be capable of launching a mass attack?

It depends on how well China's CIWS can defend against a supersonic AShM. If the U.S. Navy Phalanx had problems against Sunburn, then picture the PLAN's guns against the HF-3.

The other thing to consider is how is Taiwan going to provide the OTH targetting for HF-3?

That's why Taiwan is trying to purchase 12 P-3C Orions, one of the reasons being that the Orion will provide in-flight updates of information to missiles....

 

[isthvan]

It depends on how well China's CIWS can defend against a supersonic AShM. If the U.S. Navy Phalanx had problems against Sunburn, then picture the PLAN's guns against the HF-3.

type730 seems to be quite capable system and if it offers similar performance to Goalkeeper it should be much more capable then Phalanx... But considering number of various ship, ground and air launched AShM in Taiwan inventory I wouldn't underestimate ROC navy ability to inflict damage to PLAN.

That's why Taiwan is trying to purchase 12 P-3C Orions, one of the reasons being that the Orion will provide in-flight updates of information to missiles....

Also shipborne helicopters are capable to provide OTH targeting... But now we will quickly be reminded that in any possible conflict PLAAF will have air superiority and there will be no Taiwanese air assets left:china: ...

 

[Deleted member 675]

type730 seems to be quite capable system and if it offers similar performance to Goalkeeper it should be much more capable then Phalanx

I haven't seen anything to assure me on that point, apart from visual similarities.

But considering number of various ship, ground and air launched AShM in Taiwan inventory I wouldn't underestimate ROC navy ability to inflict damage to PLAN.

Indeed. CIWS are a last-ditch defence, and the ROC certainly has a good number of decent AShM at its disposal. That capability will increase even further if the HF-III performs well.

But now we will quickly be reminded that in any possible conflict PLAAF will have air superiority and there will be no Taiwanese air assets left

It would be nice to have a discussion where that didn't happen for once.....

 

[hongkongpride]

type730 seems to be quite capable system and if it offers similar performance to Goalkeeper it should be much more capable then Phalanx... But considering number of various ship, ground and air launched AShM in Taiwan inventory I wouldn't underestimate ROC navy ability to inflict damage to PLAN.




Also shipborne helicopters are capable to provide OTH targeting... But now we will quickly be reminded that in any possible conflict PLAAF will have air superiority and there will be no Taiwanese air assets left:china: ...

Not necessarily, targeting can be provided by shipborne UAVS and even the US RQ-4 Global Hawk, if it is operating in the area-the USN has around 5 at Guam and in other undisclosed locations in the Pacific Area that will monitor the situation in the Taiwan Straits. The HF-III will be sufficiently advanced to recieve sensory inputs in mid-flight to accurately target PLAN warships given the habit of manufacturers to 'dumb down' the specs of their products for national security reasons.

 

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We shall see what happens next week.

 

[eecsmaster]

I haven't seen anything to assure me on that point, apart from visual similarities.



Ballistic performance for one. And honestly, you think PLAN doesn't have some AHEAD rounds stored up?

"Not necessarily, targeting can be provided by shipborne UAVS and even the US RQ-4 Global Hawk, if it is operating in the area-the USN has around 5 at Guam and in other undisclosed locations in the Pacific Area that will monitor the situation in the Taiwan Straits. The HF-III will be sufficiently advanced to recieve sensory inputs in mid-flight to accurately target PLAN warships given the habit of manufacturers to 'dumb down' the specs of their products for national security reasons."

OR Taiwan will just roll out a couple X-Wings. Honestly, which UAV you know of can actually carry a surface search radar that warrants the name "OTH"? As for the Global Hawk, you probably won't be looking at anything like a direct uplink. Aside from the obvious political implications, even a Hawk has to get pretty close for target discrimination.

 

[Deleted member 675]

Ballistic performance for one. And honestly, you think PLAN doesn't have some AHEAD rounds stored up?

As I said, I haven't seen any real evidence to suggest to me such a system does have a similar performance to Goalkeeper.

 

[eecsmaster]

that stuff is classified.

But you can, nevertheless, gauge some performance perimeters.

The Phalanx BLK1B is actually enhanced against supersonic sea skimmers. You can ask the Vandal drone supplier for that. Also, The Chinese twin 37mm mount was extensively testing in the 80-early 90s. One of the reports is that one of the British drones used in missile simulation was either shot down or it's anchor wire got shotoff.

And let's not forget that LD-2000 started rolling out.

All these suggest that the actual performance of the 730, while unknown, cannot be, and should not be, underestimated.

 

[Deleted member 675]

The Phalanx BLK1B is actually enhanced against supersonic sea skimmers.

Even so, it is still debated as to how well Phalanx would perform in a combat situation against such weapons.

All these suggest that the actual performance of the 730, while unknown, cannot be, and should not be, underestimated.

I don't believe it is good or bad - I just don't believe assumptions should be made on its performance, especially given it is only a CIWS and thus not sufficient to argue a ship will have that much more chance of surviving AShM attack.

Now if you gentlemen wouldn't mind, this is a news thread about Taiwan. Let's not get side-tracked into discussing a Chinese weapon system that we do not know enough about to draw significant conclusions.