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Aero_Wing_32

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The Upgrade of actual Mirages / 幻象 2000-5 to the 2000-9 multirole standard is a CLEAR possibility + french sale of 2000-9 coming from the UAE, all for "bargain" price (if i can use that word...). Yes, we have to keep in mind the debt/penalty France must pay back to Taiwan in the frigate case...

A Rafale sale to ROC would surprise many people! But this way still exists, because there is an interest for the aircraft inside the ROCAF.
Waiting for the Bourget Air Show... and for the upcoming weeks, pals.
 
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Mr T

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Taiwan's Air Force is planning a midlife upgrade of its 146 F-16A/B Block 20 fighter jets. Officials from F-16 maker Lockheed Martin and the U.S. Air Force briefed Taiwanese representatives on possible upgrade options earlier this year.

The self-governing island is still hoping to persuade the United States to sell it 66 F-16C/D Block 50/52s despite three years of fruitless effort. So the upgrade currently being considered is "limited in scope," a Taiwan defense source said, "since funding will not be sufficient to support both the new C/D buy and an extensive upgrade of the entire A/B fleet."

Sources here say they are expecting an announcement late this year or in early 2010 about the quest to buy new F-16s.

Meanwhile, the Air Force is still developing the upgrade's operational requirement document, which "means that funding for such a program will not start until at least after 2011," well after the expected release of new F-16C/Ds, he said.

The Taiwan defense source said the upgrade is currently envisioned to address the issue of "diminishing manufacturing sources," and to add capabilities "mainly in the avionics, survivability and combat-effectiveness areas."

Under consideration are replacing the APG-66(V)3 radar with the APG-68(V)9; upgrading the modular mission computer to the MMC-7000; and adding new color multifunction displays, the Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System, AIM-9X Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, a new internal electronic countermeasures jammer and advanced targeting pods.

If a new engine is added to the upgrade package, the candidates would be the General Electric F110-GE-129 and the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229. But funding constraints mean the upgraded F-16s will likely not get a better engine, long desired by the Air Force to allow a greater takeoff weight, more operational flexibility and economy of force.

The deal will include "industrial cooperation incentives" with Taiwan's Aerospace Industrial Development Corp., which builds aircraft engines and components for international customers.

U.S. Prefers Upgrade?

Some sources here say U.S. officials might use the upgrade as a pretext to avoid selling new F-16s in an attempt to placate China.

There are fears that selling new F-16s to Taiwan would antagonize China and, in particular, dampen cooperation on containing North Korea. In 1992, Beijing withdrew from Middle East arms control talks after Washington decided to release F-16s to Taiwan.

But one U.S. defense official said the proposed upgrade and the requested purchase are not so tightly linked and that both may potentially proceed despite pressure from Beijing.

Interesting news. Even without a better engine the potential upgrades mooted would be excellent.
 

Aero_Wing_32

Junior Member
Excellent! And thanks a lot for this big News! :)

Hope they will do the same with the french Mirages. With a top fleet based on F-16s and Mirages at their best standards, Taiwan airforce will step up.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
The Upgrade of actual Mirages / 幻象 2000-5 to the 2000-9 multirole standard is a CLEAR possibility + french sale of 2000-9 coming from the UAE, all for "bargain" price (if i can use that word...). Yes, we have to keep in mind the debt/penalty France must pay back to Taiwan in the frigate case...

A Rafale sale to ROC would surprise many people! But this way still exists, because there is an interest for the aircraft inside the ROCAF.
Waiting for the Bourget Air Show... and for the upcoming weeks, pals.

The EU badly needs China goodwill during any sort of upcoming economic bargaining, as does the UAE (they can make more money with China than from Taiwan).
 

Skywatcher

Captain
France has to pay alot of money back to Taiwan, due to the La Fayette scandal. France is also buying back the older Mirage 2000-9 from the UAE. Its logical, that since Taiwan needs fighter planes, and given the scandal situation France might sell upgrades for Taiwan's current Mirage fleet and also the newer Mirage 2000-9 or even Rafale since France is desperate for exports of the Rafale in order to be a competitive fighter plane on the global arena.

Sometimes economic value may not be as important as we think, as with the French arms sales in the 80's and 90's to Taiwan and the numerous US arms sales where the US often asked for Chinese economic assistance. There is also a strategic factor and of course political factor (but we won't get into that - its banned, just making a point that there is a political factor).

France can easily pay back enough money about the La Fayette business without going through the additional trouble of actually getting war planes.

The Libyans, UAE and Indians will probably be willing to spend more money on Rafales and China doesn't care what they buy. Frankly, at this point I'm beginning to seriously wonder if there's something wrong with the Rafale if they can't land a sale after all this time.

When did the US ask China for economic assistance in the 80s and 90s. I thought it was the other way around?
 

Aero_Wing_32

Junior Member
First of all Rafale project was basically not supposed to be exported. The project of the so called "omnirole" fighter, was the answer to replace any of the military aircrafts inside the french airforce. But recently it became a necessity to sell it outside of France. It s now clear that the french military budget will be shortened, same with the french Rafales orders.
Another point is that the former president Chirac didnt support the aircraft politically speaking. Then the core market turned to Business jets. Big mistake now, with the worldwide crisis, Dassault Aviation is obliged to sell Rafales urgently.
Last but not least, USA did it best to avoid any kind of Rafales deal. For many strategic and political reasons. One of them : The big Mirages sales were a big liability to US military market, throughout the world... Don t forget that a Mirage 2000 shot down a F-16 in the 90s. That was a big point through the eyes of (potential) customers. But on the Rafales sales, I am convinced that the aircraft will find some customers soon. This is an excellent aircraft, no doubt!

kliu0, Lafayette scandal is not and won t stay the last arm sales scandal. We ve recently seen weird things with Gripen fighters deals and also with the Typhoons ones...
 
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