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siegecrossbow

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If we apply the logic of some fanboys this must totally mean that F-16V is junk and not that the decision is politically motivated or that the aircraft wasn’t properly handled. Four 4.5th gen creamed by four legacy Mirages, just because they simulate PLAAF planes lol.

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Mystery solved -- the exercise was arranged by CCP spies.

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ACuriousPLAFan

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If we apply the logic of some fanboys this must totally mean that F-16V is junk and not that the decision is politically motivated or that the aircraft wasn’t properly handled. Four 4.5th gen creamed by four legacy Mirages, just because they simulate PLAAF plane
In that case, why should the ROCAF even bother with F-16Vs ?

They should just get Hongdu L-15s instead to replace their legacy Mirages. I mean, they already got their Wunderwaffe Hsiung Feng 3 components sent to China for repairs.
 
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siegecrossbow

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In that case, why should the ROCAF even bother with F-16Vs ?

They should just get Hongdu L-15s instead to replace their legacy Mirages. I mean, they already got their Wunderwaffe Hsiung Feng 3 components sent to China for repairs.

If it isn’t purely political nonsense then I suspect that they were using the F-16V wrong. Since they are F-16A/B converted to V standard they didn’t bother with engine upgrade, so kinematically it might be at a disadvantage. But the radar advantage should have rendered the whole thing moot. AIM-120C7/LPI AESA should have made close quarter tangling unnecessary.
 

Temstar

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If we apply the logic of some fanboys this must totally mean that F-16V is junk and not that the decision is politically motivated or that the aircraft wasn’t properly handled. Four 4.5th gen creamed by four legacy Mirages, just because they simulate PLAAF planes lol.

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According to Yankee and Shilao, F-16V was playing the role of OPFOR, most likely acting the part of J-10A (with corresponding restriction on abilities according what ROCAF think J-10A is like). Naturally Mirage 2000-5 is better than J-10A. ;)
 

siegecrossbow

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According to Yankee and Shilao, F-16V was playing the role of OPFOR, most likely acting the part of J-10A (with corresponding restriction on abilities according what ROCAF think J-10A is like). Naturally Mirage 2000-5 is better than J-10A. ;)

So they can achieve a four:1 victory against a mid-tier PLAAF plane that probably won’t even see action during the actual conflict. Yay I guess? Why don’t they use their spanking new F-16V to simulate J-8 or J-7? I bet they can get 30:1 kill ratio if they do.
 

Temstar

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So they can achieve a four:1 victory against a mid-tier PLAAF plane that probably won’t even see action during the actual conflict. Yay I guess? Why don’t they use their spanking new F-16V to simulate J-8 or J-7? I bet they can get 30:1 kill ratio if they do.
Shilao and co had a hilarious time trying to come up with combinations for ROCAF to simulate various PLAAF aircraft. One of the more fun one was four F-CK-1 flying in close formation could simulate the weapon load of a single JH-7.

Only recon units still have J-8 so that's out. That one single J-7E from 2021 was mentioned (I recall that ADIZ report vividly myself), according to them that unit of J-7E was due to be retired and that flight into the ADIZ was one of the last thing they did with them to finish on a high note.
 

Biscuits

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According to Yankee and Shilao, F-16V was playing the role of OPFOR, most likely acting the part of J-10A (with corresponding restriction on abilities according what ROCAF think J-10A is like). Naturally Mirage 2000-5 is better than J-10A. ;)
Probably acting as JH-7, realistically speaking. Even if you push the F-16 to its full extent, I doubt it can match a J-10 which has a more powerful engine and has canards on top of that, as well as a radar stronger than anything that ROCAF has in the air.

Of course, you can probably make up rules that make a training platform more powerful than it really is.
 
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