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As per requested, a great twitter thread on the impact of a ROC led China; sure we'd have Outer Mongolia but at what cost? At the cost of being forever slaves to the anglo americans in another Unequal Treaty
China would have neither Outer Mongolia, Tibet, nor Xinjiang under ROC rule.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
China under ROC rule would have been regime changed and balkanised by the US decades ago.
The nature of the US means it cannot and will not tolerate any rivals, even potential or imagined ones. They were even feeling insecure about the Japanese so they neutered them via the Plaza Accords just to be safe. Had the Japanese tried to resist that economic subjugation, all sorts of independence movements would have magically appeared all over the place to give the US the pretext to use military force to dismember Japan to permanently solve that problem.
I disagree. Imo ROC winning is far preferable over the communists. Communist takeover immediately triggered massive capital flight and migration out of China to Hong Kong, Taiwan, or the US. That was on top of the capital flight and migration that already occurred due to the Civil War and Japanese Invasion. KMT would have recognized Mongolia 'independence' to be on better terms with the Soviet Union. China would have also avoided the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. China is too large and Chiang is far too nationalistic to be subjugated by the US. Japan had to sign the Plaza Accords because Japan had to be on good terms with the US. China would not have the same need.
Of course, who knows what would've happened. Another socialist revolution backed by Stalin would have been likely as he did not like Mao. We may have had a North China and South China split. KMT may have continued to govern poorly as they did during the Republic era, leading to another regime change. Tbh either way we would have ended up where we are now, but for me I far prefer a non-communist route.
So is the transport landing problem still not solved? I'm hearing different claims from different places.
Why? even knowing what the country has actually managed to achieve that's actually unequal and unprecedented in the history of the world. You seem to hold this view that China regardless of political system, or in your case the American-democratic system would have accomplished the same accomplishments in the same breadth and manner as the CPC has done is frankly insulting and demeaning to the party, the Chinese people that made enormous sacrifices into making the Chinese rejuventation closer into reality. Am I misunderstanding your meaning?
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Jiang would have been regime changed the second the communists were eradicated and a series of weak US puppets put in his place. Just casually look anywhere in history for such examples, ranging from the Iranian Shah to Ghani to any number of middle easter and Latin American despots for examples.
Sure, China under the nationalists would have started with a higher base, but so did India compared to communist China and where are they now?
China under the nationalists as a US client state would at best be another India if it somehow managed to avoid being carved up by the Americans. That’s basically the best case scenario, and what kind of Chinese wants to be Indian?!
That’s assuming China and the world even survives. China as an American client would immediately be seen as the number one existential threat to the USSR and become the new most dangerous front line.
It is entirely possible America decided its better to play nuke tag with the soviets in China than in Europe. Massive rival tank armies clash all over northern China and Siberian Russia with tactical nukes being used like they were going out of date, and the white powers then deciding nuclear war isn’t fun and call it quits before anything of actual value to them gets nuked.
We can play these what if games for eternity and not get anywhere.
But the simple truth is that modern China has, or is well on course to exceeding the west in every objectively measurable metric from economics to illiteracy to poverty alleviation to pandemic response. That would simply be impossible with the nationalists in China and being being just another US client state that could never, and will never be allowed to even approach parity with the American master race. As I said, under the nationalists, being another India is the best possible outcome.
Lol. So only a couple of weeks ago, The English Vegetable was telling another audience that Taiwan is capable of defending itself? Talk about speaking with fork tongue.
I would say most of the KMT camp would be switching sides once Taiwan declare independence. Most of tge KMT are still Chinese in their belief.
Have you actually read any thing that @DarkStar posted? In his post, it showed how many concessions (AKA unequal treaties. Remember those? If you're Chinese, surly you won't be condoning those unequal treaties) ROC under KMT has given to the U.S. please read his post before coming out and telling us that the KMT ROC is strong and resilience.