This is one of the reasons why them DPP traitors won't dare publicly declare independence. Not only these military won't fight. They might even switch side.
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This is one of the reasons why them DPP traitors won't dare publicly declare independence. Not only these military won't fight. They might even switch side.
@TerraN_EmpirE , @Mr T please address on just how in the world can Taiwan and it's non existent "brave, resilient, democracy loving warriors" are lining up to even sign up with convictions to defend their "motherland" from an impending retaking by Red China. Hollow and feel good rhetoric are not substitutes for actual undying commitment and will to fight against a determined foe and all the examples you guys have provided thus far are nothing but wishful western egotistical assumptions that pretty much guarantee based on historical trends in Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan that Taiwan conflict will more likely than not end up exactly the same outcome which is total defeat for Taiwan. Taiwanese independent advocates are too dependent and assume that your country will defend them till oblivion which is part of the reasons and rationale why most of Taiwanese have developed a relaxed attitude over the potential conflict with China. Perhaps the recent debacle that's happened in Afghanistan could wake up Taiwanese independent advocates from their deep slumber and begins to actually take the defense of their tiny island a lot more seriously and the sober analysis that's needed because if push comes to shove based on their military's current assessment, they're FUBAR.
From F.P. article:
“Show me 2 million rifles in the stockpile, and I will believe Taiwan has a 2-million-strong reserve force,” Huang said. “The military can’t even tell how many reserve troops they will need to activate across Taiwan, let alone where and how to deploy them when the shooting starts across the Taiwan Strait.”
“By design, they don’t participate in any field exercise or combat readiness training anyway,” Lin said. “We just tell them to stay safe and don’t get into trouble. It’s basically a summer camp.” Several individuals who recently completed this four-month service described similar experiences in interviews.
"A popular yet cynical explanation as to why these Taiwanese soldiers dislike front-line units simply postulates a common aversion to tougher training and combat duty. But interviews with several enlisted ranks painted a more complex picture. Most complained that the food and living conditions left much to be desired—front-line soldiers must split their time between bases and on field exercises. That, on top of the fact they have far more weapons, vehicles, and equipment to clean and maintain, means these posts are perceived as more work for little reward. The existing shortages also cause an even heavier burden of work on the soldiers left—prompting more of them to put in for transfers."
“If we go to war, the soldiers currently on roster are all that we have,” said Lin, the lieutenant colonel, who pointed out that he had never heard of any plan to reinforce units he commanded with reserve soldiers. “At best, they might start combining depleted units. We are supposed to fight until everyone is dead or can’t fight anymore.”
From F.P. article:
“Show me 2 million rifles in the stockpile, and I will believe Taiwan has a 2-million-strong reserve force,” Huang said. “The military can’t even tell how many reserve troops they will need to activate across Taiwan, let alone where and how to deploy them when the shooting starts across the Taiwan Strait.”
“By design, they don’t participate in any field exercise or combat readiness training anyway,” Lin said. “We just tell them to stay safe and don’t get into trouble. It’s basically a summer camp.” Several individuals who recently completed this four-month service described similar experiences in interviews.
"A popular yet cynical explanation as to why these Taiwanese soldiers dislike front-line units simply postulates a common aversion to tougher training and combat duty. But interviews with several enlisted ranks painted a more complex picture. Most complained that the food and living conditions left much to be desired—front-line soldiers must split their time between bases and on field exercises. That, on top of the fact they have far more weapons, vehicles, and equipment to clean and maintain, means these posts are perceived as more work for little reward. The existing shortages also cause an even heavier burden of work on the soldiers left—prompting more of them to put in for transfers."
“If we go to war, the soldiers currently on roster are all that we have,” said Lin, the lieutenant colonel, who pointed out that he had never heard of any plan to reinforce units he commanded with reserve soldiers. “At best, they might start combining depleted units. We are supposed to fight until everyone is dead or can’t fight anymore.”
In other words, just some cope. In contrast, I see
1) The Chinese defense budget rising by at least 6% YoY as far as the eye can see.
2) More and more destroyers, submarines, carriers, stealth fighters (and soon stealth bombers) leaving China's shipyards and hangars.
3) More and more drills around Taiwan, each one bigger and more frightening than the last.
Before the Afghanistan debacle, I would have thought the US would at least put up a fight. Now everybody knows that all they do is just empty posturing and their coping provocations in Taiwan can't change that. The Taiwan separatists are in freefall, they just haven't splatted all over the concrete yet. And after yesterday, the ground just got a whole lot closer.
Either that or he is one of our posters in whiteface
While this is certainly a response to all the provocations that you have listed and more, there are actually real needs for this kind of exercise from a military operations standpoint:
1. The future landing invasion of Taiwan would be a highly complex and coordinated operations, PLA would need more and different operations to train and practice joint command and operations.
2. Previously, we've seen PLA sent aircraft of all kinds to circle around Taiwan, now we're seeing joint operations of aircraft and war ships are deployed. The scale and scope of the exercises will need to continue to expand, incorporating more services and branches of PLA, including submarines, carriers, amphibious ships, drones and various missiles.
3. These exercises should be conducted regularly, much as China has been sending ships within the territorial waters of Diaoyu Islands ever since Japanese government escalated and purchased Diaoyu Islands from private owners in 2010. The exercise can be turned into real action should the US and Taiwan cross the red lines or the cumulative provocations were deemed enough-is-enough. Salami slicing has its consequences.
TerraN_EmpirE
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Doesn’t matter. Doesn’t matter as the main point is you are trying to draw lines to a Apple from a coconut. Basically Taiwan is dejour independent from the main land. Xi has no say in what happens. As to if they will fight or not. Despite the Air show the PLAAF is content to launch this isn’t a shooting war. It’s a siege situation but the mainland hasn’t surrounded the castle. It’s like a drunk in a bar who says let me at him pointing at someone yet the drunk doesn’t even start to move to stand up.
great article, covers an aspect of the military not often paid attention to by outsiders who are mostly about counting tanks and planes.
I think anyone who has served in an undermanned military (including myself) will agree that the depletion to combat power is beyond the proportion of the shortage in manpower.
No, just the decreasing number of vocal intelligent Americans. The US is overrun by social/mass media idiots/cultist, MIC shills, moronic politicians looking for votes, etc