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Should be a good move for the US. On the one hand they will increase the quality of the abysmal Taiwanese Armed Forces while on the other hand this will be another salami-slice move on the Taiwan issue for China

Training partnership should be established to raise Taiwan's combat effectiveness
 
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Aren't these people sick and tired of wars yet? It's not like they have a stupendous record of successes that they can speak of and brag to the American people. I am beginning to think that a lot of these people have slowly began to convince themselves that America didn't really lose any of it's armed interventions and the conflict of Iraq and Afghanistan shouldn't be considered or viewed in a traditional sense of Army vs Army. They probably feel and view their Armed forces in the WWII era type of battles where America actually emerged and gained it's prowess and prominence. Which is why they have once again deluded themselves that any future direct or indirect combat against the P.R.C. isn't going to be that challenging. They must be in an assumption (false and hubristic) that whatever best case scenarios they have laid out for Taiwan (assumes that the vast majority of people there will become raging jihadis to fight against the PLA) will materialize and that their combat prowess of force on force actions will relive the Persian Gulf War result in which the monumental strategic stupidity of Saddam Hussein and his forces will be replicated by the PLA's supposed non-existent combat experience into a massive and total defeat.

I don't think any of the U.S. militaries much vaunted and much hyped AAR along with RAND studies have penetrated the minds of the military-political-industrial makers of the U.S. anymore. So rather than actually accommodating the rise of China peacefully it chooses to confront and blunt it's quest to revitalize the Chinese dream and to what end? Just to satisfy their messianic and religious belief that the country of the U.S. is destined to be the sole savior and molder of the world; it's manifest destiny endowed by their God Almighty. God help us all.
 
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Aren't these people sick and tired of wars yet? It's not like they have a stupendous record of successes that they can speak of and brag to the American people. I am beginning to think that a lot of these people have slowly began to convince themselves that America didn't really lose any of it's armed interventions and the conflict of Iraq and Afghanistan shouldn't be considered or viewed in a traditional sense of Army vs Army. They probably feel and view their Armed forces in the WWII era type of battles where America actually emerged and gained it's prowess and prominence. Which is why they have once again deluded themselves that any future direct or indirect combat against the P.R.C. isn't going to be that challenging. They must be in an assumption (false and hubristic) that whatever best case scenarios they have laid out for Taiwan (assumes that the vast majority of people there will become raging jihadis to fight against the PLA) will materialize and that their combat prowess of force on force actions will relive the Persian Gulf War result in which the monumental strategic stupidity of Saddam Hussein and his forces will be replicated by the PLA's supposed non-existent combat experience into a massive and total defeat.

I don't think any of the U.S. militaries much vaunted and much hyped AAR along with RAND studies have penetrated the minds of the military-political-industrial makers of the U.S. anymore. So rather than actually accommodating the rise of China peacefully it chooses to confront and blunt it's quest to revitalize the Chinese dream and to what end? Just to satisfy their messianic and religious belief that the country of the U.S. is destined to be the sole savior and molder of the world; it's manifest destiny endowed by their God Almighty. God help us all.
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That's why 40% or more Americans are naturally racist towards anyone "Chinese". That's how Trump continues to be popular because he knew he can sustain popularity by capturing the attention of these types of people by appealing to their beliefs and values.
 
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2015 documentary about ROC army stationed in the remote islands of Kinmen and Matsu (though they are islands themselves already both have an assortment of even smaller islands).

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Is it still illegal for active duty soldier to visit the mainland? Must be so boring on Kinmen if you can't leave.

Also, why are they loading and extracting the artillery shells so gingerly?

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Aren't these people sick and tired of wars yet?
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No, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq again, Somalia, Grenada, Panama…
Bellum_Romanum said:
Which is why they have once again deluded themselves that any future direct or indirect combat against the P.R.C. isn't going to be that challenging. They must be in an assumption (false and hubristic) that whatever best case scenarios they have laid out for Taiwan (assumes that the vast majority of people there will become raging jihadis to fight against the PLA) will materialize and that their combat prowess of force on force actions will relive the Persian Gulf War result in which the monumental strategic stupidity of Saddam Hussein and his forces will be replicated by the PLA's supposed non-existent combat experience into a massive and total defeat.

I don't think any of the U.S. militaries much vaunted and much hyped AAR along with RAND studies have penetrated the minds of the military-political-industrial makers of the U.S. anymore. So rather than actually accommodating the rise of China peacefully it chooses to confront and blunt it's quest to revitalize the Chinese dream and to what end? Just to satisfy their messianic and religious belief that the country of the U.S. is destined to be the sole savior and molder of the world; it's manifest destiny endowed by their God Almighty. God help us all.
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Simply, yes.

Longer version:
It’s basic racist/fascist dog whistling. PRC is simultaneously incompetent should conflict arise, but also somehow the most fear inspiring opponent… The racism comes in because Americans (media and politicians) are constantly repeating the same tropes… Chinese can’t innovate, Chinese are dishonest, Chinese people are brainwashed, etc.

Also, 99% of Americans have cannot beyond their own view on the situation. You keep hearing “Taiwanese will fight for Nation’s survival! Chinese are invaders!” No! This is absolute horse manure! If Taiwan declares independence, which is the most likely cause of war despite what western media is trying to sell, then PLA would also be fighting for the survival of the country, not as an invasion force!

Taiwan is a critical ally in a region facing growing destabilization
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The destabilization is actually from DPP and USA. Ambassadors and Senators visiting, military planes landing, calls from the president etc.
Yes, PLA is flying aircraft near Taiwan at an unprecedented rate, but they are arguably less scary than the 90’s when the missiles were being launched. So if anything, PLA has ratcheted down their aggression.
 
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No one really knows how the United States will respond in the event of a crisis over Taiwan. This means that clearer signals in peacetime are not terribly important, and policymakers should not pretend otherwise. Strategists, meanwhile, would do well to think more about the opportunities to take advantage of ambiguity in a way that increases caution on all sides.
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Good analysis
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Meh..I just finished reading the long winded article. I don't know what qualifies this particular take as a good read since there's absolutely nothing the author has put forward that hasn't been said or written by countless others within the security-industrial-think tanks that's blanketed Washington D.C.

The guiding principles and understanding from this author and like him is the continued misunderstanding whether it's deliberate or by design with respect to China's leadership party, the Chinese people and the country at large. China's history is littered or awashed in bloody conflicts in the tune of millions casualty that some ended in disasters after the other. The Chinese people are not casualty averse when it deems and sees that it's fighting for something worthy of cause. The country fought against the almighty Americans and her minions in the 1950s when China was frankly was at one of it's weakest point of the new Republic. It hesitated, deliberated but once the leadership core understood that not fighting against the Americans is going to result into a strategic strangulation.

The Taiwan Issue has always been stressed since the establishment of the PRC that Taiwan is a vital part of ONE CHINA. If the PRC was prepared to recapture Taiwan before when it wasn't a nuclear power, economically anemic and virtually isolated from the world, why do most ignorant Americans that's supposed to be erudite choose to ignore the reality that China will fight tooth and nail, aware of the realities of war that deaths=sacrifices will be necessary to ensure the country remains whole.

I remain convinced that America tends to project most of their weaknesses unto it's enemies with implicit biased mixed into their pseudo analysis resulting into the litany of failures most of the elite class are stubbornly refusing to see and recognize. Iraq they drank the America is super duper liked when their elites thought that they will be welcome with open arms and greeted by the majority as Liberators. They assumed that 80,000 -100,000 troops are what's needed for the entirety of the war and that Phase IV operations wasn't important and that Military OPERATIONS OTHER THAN WAR (MOOTW) are for pussies. Let's not forget that Iraq War contingency was highly studied and war gamed extensively along with budget allocations to prepare for the fight the Military and civilian elites pushed for. Now can anyone here tell me with a straight face that their military operations was a stupendous success? And let's not f..ng forget that the Iraqi Armed forces wasn't exactly a world beating force especially not after it was sanctioned to death.

All this talk and stupid prosaic analysis by the America security elites are useless if they are stuck with the thoughts and ideas that war isn't a brutal f..ng business. That their casualties will always be minimized while exacting untold high casualties on their enemies and by doing so the war will look winnable in their ignorant and arrogant minds. War is a battle of will and to assume that the Chinese people will fold because they might face high casualty rate if they try to recapture the island of Taiwan (a growing number of dudes are being turned into mush) are living in fantasy land.
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
Meh..I just finished reading the long winded article. I don't know what qualifies this particular take as a good read since there's absolutely nothing the author has put forward that hasn't been said or written by countless others within the security-industrial-think tanks that's blanketed Washington D.C.

The guiding principles and understanding from this author and like him is the continued misunderstanding whether it's deliberate or by design with respect to China's leadership party, the Chinese people and the country at large. China's history is littered or awashed in bloody conflicts in the tune of millions casualty that some ended in disasters after the other. The Chinese people are not casualty averse when it deems and sees that it's fighting for something worthy of cause. The country fought against the almighty Americans and her minions in the 1950s when China was frankly was at one of it's weakest point of the new Republic. It hesitated, deliberated but once the leadership core understood that not fighting against the Americans is going to result into a strategic strangulation.

The Taiwan Issue has always been stressed since the establishment of the PRC that Taiwan is a vital part of ONE CHINA. If the PRC was prepared to recapture Taiwan before when it wasn't a nuclear power, economically anemic and virtually isolated from the world, why do most ignorant Americans that's supposed to be erudite choose to ignore the reality that China will fight tooth and nail, aware of the realities of war that deaths=sacrifices will be necessary to ensure the country remains whole.

I remain convinced that America tends to project most of their weaknesses unto it's enemies with implicit biased mixed into their pseudo analysis resulting into the litany of failures most of the elite class are stubbornly refusing to see and recognize. Iraq they drank the America is super duper liked when their elites thought that they will be welcome with open arms and greeted by the majority as Liberators. They assumed that 80,000 -100,000 troops are what's needed for the entirety of the war and that Phase IV operations wasn't important and that Military OPERATIONS OTHER THAN WAR (MOOTW) are for pussies. Let's not forget that Iraq War contingency was highly studied and war gamed extensively along with budget allocations to prepare for the fight the Military and civilian elites pushed for. Now can anyone here tell me with a straight face that their military operations was a stupendous success? And let's not f..ng forget that the Iraqi Armed forces wasn't exactly a world beating force especially not after it was sanctioned to death.

All this talk and stupid prosaic analysis by the America security elites are useless if they are stuck with the thoughts and ideas that war isn't a brutal f..ng business. That their casualties will always be minimized while exacting untold high casualties on their enemies and by doing so the war will look winnable in their ignorant and arrogant minds. War is a battle of will and to assume that the Chinese people will fold because they might face high casualty rate if they try to recapture the island of Taiwan (a growing number of dudes are being turned into mush) are living in fantasy land.
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Dont bother with the Foreign Policy magazine. When Trump declared that China was the enemy, it immediately took an obvious turn towards "CCP communism under our beds" mass propaganda.

TheDiplomat is better, however they also produce some farcical articles from time to time lol

As for the Taiwan thing, the Americans are dreaming if they think that China will invade it militarily in this decade.

No, China will play the long con, when it has firmly established its position, then thats when it would take it and not by using its military but by other means (economic, political, cultural influence)
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
Meh..I just finished reading the long winded article. I don't know what qualifies this particular take as a good read since there's absolutely nothing the author has put forward that hasn't been said or written by countless others within the security-industrial-think tanks that's blanketed Washington D.C.

The guiding principles and understanding from this author and like him is the continued misunderstanding whether it's deliberate or by design with respect to China's leadership party, the Chinese people and the country at large. China's history is littered or awashed in bloody conflicts in the tune of millions casualty that some ended in disasters after the other. The Chinese people are not casualty averse when it deems and sees that it's fighting for something worthy of cause. The country fought against the almighty Americans and her minions in the 1950s when China was frankly was at one of it's weakest point of the new Republic. It hesitated, deliberated but once the leadership core understood that not fighting against the Americans is going to result into a strategic strangulation.

The Taiwan Issue has always been stressed since the establishment of the PRC that Taiwan is a vital part of ONE CHINA. If the PRC was prepared to recapture Taiwan before when it wasn't a nuclear power, economically anemic and virtually isolated from the world, why do most ignorant Americans that's supposed to be erudite choose to ignore the reality that China will fight tooth and nail, aware of the realities of war that deaths=sacrifices will be necessary to ensure the country remains whole.

I remain convinced that America tends to project most of their weaknesses unto it's enemies with implicit biased mixed into their pseudo analysis resulting into the litany of failures most of the elite class are stubbornly refusing to see and recognize. Iraq they drank the America is super duper liked when their elites thought that they will be welcome with open arms and greeted by the majority as Liberators. They assumed that 80,000 -100,000 troops are what's needed for the entirety of the war and that Phase IV operations wasn't important and that Military OPERATIONS OTHER THAN WAR (MOOTW) are for pussies. Let's not forget that Iraq War contingency was highly studied and war gamed extensively along with budget allocations to prepare for the fight the Military and civilian elites pushed for. Now can anyone here tell me with a straight face that their military operations was a stupendous success? And let's not f..ng forget that the Iraqi Armed forces wasn't exactly a world beating force especially not after it was sanctioned to death.

All this talk and stupid prosaic analysis by the America security elites are useless if they are stuck with the thoughts and ideas that war isn't a brutal f..ng business. That their casualties will always be minimized while exacting untold high casualties on their enemies and by doing so the war will look winnable in their ignorant and arrogant minds. War is a battle of will and to assume that the Chinese people will fold because they might face high casualty rate if they try to recapture the island of Taiwan (a growing number of dudes are being turned into mush) are living in fantasy land.
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The long winded article is about US best action to keep CN and TW separated. We already know How CN see TW and what they would do to reunify. But The stupid prosaic analysis by the America security elites managed to keep TW and CN separated for decades and nothing will change in the years to come. For dudes living in fantasy land, it is not bad.
 
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