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vesicles said:

If they don't want to accept it, they have two options: (1) change the constitution; (2) leave Taiwan. As they have done neither

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For the last time, China has threatened to invade Taiwan if it changes the constitution. That's probably not an idle threat either, so it's reasonable for Taiwanese to keep the status quo.

PiSigma said:

Exactly

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I'm not sure where this conversation can go, then. There was a time when Chinese people online and offline I chatted with said they'd be happy to give Taiwan reliable offers of autonomy, and it appears we're now in "live by my rules or I'll kill you" territory. That's a shame, I'm sure a peaceful settlement is there if Beijing negotiates in good faith. (And before anyone asks, an ultimatum is not a negotiation.)

Anyway, moving the discussion back to military matters, here's some incredibly boring news about some legislators proposing a temporary freeze to part of the submarine budget.


Given the Taiwanese government can rely on a legislative majority, my best guess right now is that the budget will get a symbolic amount frozen but that an amount that would actually threaten the project won't be cut.

Mr T said:

For the last time, China has threatened to invade Taiwan if it changes the constitution. That's probably not an idle threat either, so it's reasonable for Taiwanese to keep the status quo.



I'm not sure where this conversation can go, then. There was a time when Chinese people online and offline I chatted with said they'd be happy to give Taiwan reliable offers of autonomy, and it appears we're now in "live by my rules or I'll kill you" territory. That's a shame, I'm sure a peaceful settlement is there if Beijing negotiates in good faith. (And before anyone asks, an ultimatum is not a negotiation.)

Anyway, moving the discussion back to military matters, here's some incredibly boring news about some legislators proposing a temporary freeze to part of the submarine budget.

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Given the Taiwanese government can rely on a legislative majority, my best guess right now is that the budget will get a symbolic amount frozen but that an amount that would actually threaten the project won't be cut.

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Are you replying to me? China can't invade itself, it can only liberate territory controlled by rebel groups. Those rebel groups that commit treason by changing the Constitution and squatting on Chinese land.

Who to negotiate with? Most responsible governments have a don't negotiate with terrorists policy, China included. Treasonous elements, terrorists are the same in my books.

As far as I know, legit governments all around the world make rules, and the people follow them. If not, the cops get sent in. We see plenty of that recently in bastions of freedom USA recently. So yes, follow government rules or else they will shoot you, or in some countries like US, follow rules they will shoot too.

Mr T said:

For the last time, China has threatened to invade Taiwan if it changes the constitution. That's probably not an idle threat either, so it's reasonable for Taiwanese to keep the status quo.

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For the last time, secession means war. Did you think that stealing Chinese territory was free? There would be no military response? If they want the independence and the land, they'll have to fight for it and win just like everyone else who carved their country out of piece of another country.

Mr T said:

I'm not sure where this conversation can go, then.

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It could never have gone anywhere. It was foolish of you to ever think that you could negotiate theft of Chinese territory. I'd be happy to peacefully negotiate taking pieces of British territory from you all day, though.

Mr T said:

There was a time when Chinese people online and offline I chatted with said they'd be happy to give Taiwan reliable offers of autonomy, and it appears we're now in "live by my rules or I'll kill you" territory.

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As I said, Chinese people evolve and look to the future and China critics yearn for the past. Get used to it; might is right isn't a principle that only the West can apply.

Mr T said:

That's a shame, I'm sure a peaceful settlement is there if Beijing negotiates in good faith. (And before anyone asks, an ultimatum is not a negotiation.)

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Show us that peaceful settlement with a negotiation with Argentina over the Falklands.

manqiangrexue said:

It could never have gone anywhere. It was foolish of you to ever think that you could negotiate theft of Chinese territory.


As I said, Chinese people evolve and look to the future and China critics yearn for the past. Get used to it; might is right isn't a principle that only the West can apply.


Show us that peaceful settlement with a negotiation with Argentina over the Falklands.

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Falklands is false analogy, since it is disputed. There is no dispute that Taiwan is a province of China.

Better analogy would be Catalonia, or Basque or Scotland.

PiSigma said:

Falklands is false analogy, since it is disputed. There is no dispute that Taiwan is a province of China.

Better analogy would be Catalonia, or Basque or Scotland.

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Sorry, I don't really care about nosy little has-been hater countries like the UK that turned into a side-clown of a former colony so I didn't study up on it.

Guys, why are we arguing with a delusional guy who clearly lives on another planet. Just look at his Hong Kong post. This guy's hatred towards anything CCP would make any FLG members look like saints.

Gatekeeper said:

Guys, why are we arguing with a delusional guy who clearly lives on another planet. Just look at his Hong Kong post. This guy's hatred towards anything CCP would make any FLG members look like saints.

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I was extra bored at work today and had time to point out a few errors in his arguments. Can't let false info slide, because if lies get repeated enough times without correction they become the truth. NYT and other MSM is proof of that.

Mr T said:

Given the Taiwanese government can rely on a legislative majority, my best guess right now is that the budget will get a symbolic amount frozen but that an amount that would actually threaten the project won't be cut.

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Your best guess or just your wishful thinking?

I find it genuinely pitiful (I don't mean this in an insulting sense, but in the literal sense of evoking pathos) how thin a reed those with no real hope will clutch to. As if those submarines could last more than an hour against the PLAN of today's ASW, let alone the PLAN of the latter half of the century when they're finally delivered.

Mr T said:

For the last time, China has threatened to invade Taiwan if it changes the constitution. That's probably not an idle threat either, so it's reasonable for Taiwanese to keep the status quo.

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Yes, I’m aware of that. I have never doubted the resolve of the CCP. With that being said, when faced with such threat, the Taiwanese still have the options of either fighting the Chinese head on or hiding in their homes and keeping the status quo. Plenty of people throughout the history of the world have chosen the former. And many of them have bled and died to win their independence. Many of them are still trying to this day. At the beginning of the Korean War, China faced a similar threat from the US and the allied forces. China decided to fight despite having little hope to win. They suffered over a million casualties to win a seat at the negotiation table, which eventually led to the ceasefire at the 38th parallel. That’s the consequence of their decision. However, the Taiwanese seem to have chosen the latter. You have decided to hide. Then you have to bear the consequences of your decision, which legally means you have chosen to abide your constitution and stay as Chinese.

Keep in mind that you are in a land of law and order. Your constitution is the foundation of your democracy. If you want to preserve your democracy, you must respect your constitution. It’s a matter of principle.

Mr T said:

For the last time, China has threatened to invade Taiwan if it changes the constitution. That's probably not an idle threat either, so it's reasonable for Taiwanese to keep the status quo.



I'm not sure where this conversation can go, then. There was a time when Chinese people online and offline I chatted with said they'd be happy to give Taiwan reliable offers of autonomy, and it appears we're now in "live by my rules or I'll kill you" territory. That's a shame, I'm sure a peaceful settlement is there if Beijing negotiates in good faith. (And before anyone asks, an ultimatum is not a negotiation.)

Anyway, moving the discussion back to military matters, here's some incredibly boring news about some legislators proposing a temporary freeze to part of the submarine budget.

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Given the Taiwanese government can rely on a legislative majority, my best guess right now is that the budget will get a symbolic amount frozen but that an amount that would actually threaten the project won't be cut.

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China's sovereignty over TW island has never and will never be up for negotiation and does not require validation/input from a white man like you.