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kliu0

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Perhaps the armored hull could be withstand not small arms fire but withstand things like M16 or Ak-47 rounds. (Incase Taiwan and China get off the wrong foot) And some M2 Machine guns armed on top of the vessels, 40mm gun at front, 20mm gun at back while the M2 guns cover the sides. More stealthier design, reduced radar signature and improved tech (computers, sonar, radar, communication etc). Perhaps big enough to hold Hsiung Feng II missiles.

Thats my perception of a good patrol boat.
 

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Perhaps the armored hull could be withstand not small arms fire but withstand things like M16 or Ak-47 rounds. (Incase Taiwan and China get off the wrong foot) And some M2 Machine guns armed on top of the vessels, 40mm gun at front, 20mm gun at back while the M2 guns cover the sides. More stealthier design, reduced radar signature and improved tech (computers, sonar, radar, communication etc). Perhaps big enough to hold Hsiung Feng II missiles.

Thats my perception of a good patrol boat.


I think the general consensus on small arms is up to .50 cal (12.7mm).

The Coast Guard service is a Law Enforcement Agency, its focus is not war fighting. There are very good reasons why they're not equipped with powerful weapons and sensors, because they don't want to be classified as warships.

Nations with no military agreements can still send their Coast Guard for joint exercises, because the lightly-armed CG Cutters aren't considered a military threat. If you equip them with anti-ship missiles, that would lose their protected status.

Take this 053 conversion for example:
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The weapons suite was completely stripped and replaced with light, point-blank range guns. There is no mistake that this is no longer a warship.
 

kliu0

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金門拚觀光 縣長李炷烽要求撤軍
TVBS 更新日期:"2008/06/19 12:22"

兩岸7月開放包機直航後,小三通市場可能萎縮,金門觀光會受到衝擊,因此,這個月11日,金門縣長李炷烽當面向馬總統要求金門撤軍,全力發展觀光,但這席話卻引來立委反彈,有人說撤軍不是地方政府該說的,還有人反對,說現在大陸和我們還是敵對狀態,不該說撤就撤。

金門縣長李炷烽為了促進金門的觀光,向馬總統開口要求撤軍,馬總統沒有回應,倒是這話題立刻在立法院延燒。國民黨立委丁守中:「撤軍啊,如果以目前來講,我反對,因為金門是延長台灣防衛的縱深,海峽兩岸目前關係還是有競爭,也存在著對立,也有合作的情況下,還沒有完全達到撤軍的條件。」

有人反對也有人贊成,立委帥化民就說可以考慮,但不該由地方政府提出。國民黨立委帥化民:「感覺是地方跟中央在那裡爭東西,而且不該由他這個身份來講。」

甚至林郁方建議由金門人公投。國民黨立委林郁方:「甚至在金門做一個全面性的民調,或者是舉行公民投票,讓金門的民眾,而不是只有縣長本人,能夠清楚地表達他們的意願。」

對於自己言論引起這麼多討論,金門縣長李炷烽還是堅持立場。

兩蔣時代的反共國防堡壘,金門的駐軍已經從5、60年前的10萬人,撤到現在只剩5千人,如果要再撤到只剩不到2百人,金門的觀光和國家安全,熟重熟輕?得好好考量。

This basically in english is =
Kinmen county governor wants to demilitarize Kinmen. Saying that as cross-strait ties have improved, war is not going to happen. Therefore you must demilitarize to allow economy to improve and regrow the population of Kinmen.

Pan-Blue legislators have argued that this is not right, as Taiwan is still in a state of war officially with China, and that this is wrong. Kinmen is also the first primary defence line of the government and people of the Republic of China. While some other legislators have argued for it, saying that it could be considered. While another stated that a survey or referendum be held in Kinmen as the people there are clearest of the situation.

During the Chiang years Kinmen contained more than 100000 military personnel around 50 to 60 years ago, now theres around 5000. If there is even more demilitarization there could be less than 200. Kinmen's tourism and national security, is vital and both must be considered carefully.

**Personally, I consider this move by the county a disgrace. Kinmen is the vital first line of defense of the Republic of China. I believe that the County governor is selfish and only thinks of economic benefits not considering the main population of Taiwan. Billions of dollars has gone into the defence of Kinmen and other outlying islands. The lives and blood of the Nationalist Army payed for the defence of whats left of the Republic of China (Taiwan) would have been a waste. Kinmen must remain militarized no matter how great the economic relations between China and Taiwan are. It is a line of security, and honors those lives paid for the defense of Kinmen and Taiwan.
 
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Direct flights not a threat: MND

NATIONAL SECURITY: Chen Chao-min’s comment contradicted earlier warnings from the defense ministry. Meanwhile, KMT members criticized airport conditions
By Jimmy Chuang and Mo Yan-chih
STAFF REPORTERS
Thursday, Jun 19, 2008, Page 1

Minister of National Defense Chen Chao-min (陳肇敏) said yesterday that weekend charter flights that fly directly between Taiwan and China instead of through a foreign air zone would not be a threat to national security.

“The final routes for direct charter flights shall be decided by the Mainland Affairs Council and the Ministry of Transportation and Communications [MOTC]. We will submit recommendations to the MOTC that take national security into consideration, but I do not foresee any problems if the flights travel directly between Taiwan and China,” Chen told the legislature’s Diplomacy and National Defense Committee.

His remarks were a reversal of the ministry’s earlier stance.

Vice Minister of National Defense Lin Chen-yi (林鎮夷) recommended on May 23 that the MOTC not allow direct flights but have the planes fly through a third party’s air space.

The Air Force had also expressed reservations about plans to open eight airports to cross-strait flights, because all but Taoyuan International Airport and Kaohsiung International Airport are shared by military and civilian aircraft.

Chen’s comments were also in contradiction of a defense ministry report on May 18 that said direct charter flights would pose a threat to national security.

“We have done our part [evaluation and recommendations] and submitted the plan to the MOTC for reference a few days ago. Direct flights? I do not see why not,” Chen said.

Meanwhile, Minister of Transportation and Communications Mao Chi-kuo (毛治國) said yesterday that the government would negotiate more details on cross-strait charters, including the number of flights and destinations, with China after the Beijing Olympic Games in August.

Two new air routes proposed by the ministry, one to Shanghai and one to Xiamen, will be finalized after more negotiations between the Straits Exchange Foundation (SEF) and the Association for Relations Across the Taiwan Strait (ARATS), Mao said.

“More frequent negotiations will be held to address cross-strait flights and Chinese tourism. Our consensus with China is that after the Olympic Games, cross-strait flights will proceed step by step, like climbing stairs,” Mao said while reporting on the ministry’s plans to the Chinese Nationalist Party’s (KMT) Central Standing Committee.

Mao was the first Cabinet member to be invited to discuss government policies with the KMT’s highest decision-making body.

KMT Chairman Wu Poh-hsiung (吳伯雄) said the party would invite more Cabinet members to discuss policies with the committee so that the party can better communicate with the government.

Negotiators signed agreements earlier this month to begin regular weekend charter flights starting July 4 and allow Chinese tourists to visit Taiwan starting July 18.

Mao said negotiations on cross-strait cargo charter flights would be held within three months of the start of weekend passenger services.

The passenger flights will run from Friday to Monday, with each side operating 18 round-trip flights per week for a total of 36 round-trip flights.

Mao said a Chinese group visiting Taiwan on July 4 would include government officials, travel industry representatives and some tourists.

KMT Central Standing Committee member Sean Lien (連勝文) criticized the poor condition of the nation’s airports, including Songshan Airport and Taoyuan International Airport.

He urged Mao to improve airport infrastructure.

“Taiwan’s airports are so poor, and the worst of all is Songshan ... We should use part of the budget to renovate airports,” he said.

KMT Legislator John Chiang (蔣孝嚴) suggested that the ministry negotiate with China on issues related to cross-strait flights, including jurisdiction and compensation in the event of a crash to avoid complaints from the public.

Mao said the ministry would improve the infrastructure of the Taoyuan facility by next year and that talks on compensation issues would be held in the future.
 

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US arms decision made last Christmas
ALREADY POLICY: Washington sources said that the recent requests by the Chinese Nationalist Party government to delay arms sales simply reaffirmed the US’ position
By Charles Snyder
STAFF REPORTER IN WASHINGTON
Friday, Jun 20, 2008, Page 1

The decision by US President George W. Bush's administration to delay the processing of US$12 billion in arms sales to Taiwan dates back at least to last Christmas and recent requests by the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) government of President Ma Ying-jeou (馬英九) to further delay the process simply reaffirmed US policy, but did not initiate it, sources in Washington say.

The story was broken by Defense News on June 9, but observers said Washington’s decision was more complex and long standing than recent news reports indicate. But, as more details of the situation emerge, the sources warn, the implications could be just as harmful for Taiwan’s defense.

The impetus for the delay, many feel, has been the Bush administration’s craving to curry favor with China for help with a number of foreign policy issues, notably in North Korea, Iraq and Darfur, and the plan by Bush to attend the opening of the Olympic Games in Beijing in August.

At the same time, with the US presidential election approaching, the feeling has grown that actions that could potentially inflame US-China tensions, such as arms sales, are better left to the new US administration that will occupy the White House come January.

The most recent word in Washington has been that the decision to freeze the arms sales came as a result of a meeting between Ma and a State Department member of the US delegation to Ma’s inauguration and another meeting late last month between National Security Council Secretary-General Su Chi (蘇起) and Frank Januzzi, a visiting foreign policy aide to the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Joseph Biden.

Ma and Su reportedly both told the Americans that while the KMT is not opposed to the arms sales, this was a bad time for them to advance through the Pentagon and the congressional approval process.

“When the message came back from Taipei, that was used at the State Department by [Assistant Secretary of State for East Asia] Chris[topher] Hill and Secretary [of State Condoleezza] Rice as a perfectly good reason not to move forward on this,” said John Tkacik, a strongly pro-Taiwan academic at the Heritage Foundation.

“Su Chi said this was his ‘personal opinion,’ but the personal opinion of the secretary-general of the National Security Council in Taiwan counts,” Tkacik told reporters on Wednesday, conceding that his information was second-hand.

Januzzi was not in his Senate office on Wednesday and was not available for comment.

Supporters of the arms sales warn that any delay could end up killing the sales and could affect Taiwan’s basic means of survival, if it renders Taiwan incapable of fending off a Chinese military attack at some future time when the US is unwilling or unable to come to Taiwan’s aid, and if China’s rapid military modernization continues apace.

The big concern is that the freeze could become permanent. That is because the new US administration is certain to conduct a review of its Taiwan policy next year, delaying any decisions. If the letters of acquisition are not signed by the end of the year, Taiwan’s defense ministry will have to resubmit its budget to the Legislative Yuan, in which the KMT holds a three-quarters majority, and then all the arms budget items will be reopened for discussion.

The decision to freeze the processing of the arms package predated Ma’s presidential victory, Rupert Hammond-Chambers, the president of the US-Taiwan Business Council, told the Taipei Times.

He said the decision was made before last Christmas at the highest level of the administration.

“And, indeed, by the president himself,” he said.

Hammond-Chambers, whose organization includes the major US defense contractors who supply the lion’s share of US weapons sold to Taiwan, said that Washington is not just “playing team ball,” or reacting to Taipei’s request. He felt that Ma’s government has not ruled out future arms purchases, but just fears a public announcement coming at an embarrassing time could hurt his efforts to improve relations with Beijing.

Hammond-Chambers said that the items in question were far from the stage in the process where they will go to Congress for the 30-day review. Only after that review would the Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency make the planned sale public. And that’s the time that China traditionally raises a verbal stink.

“But we are a way of a way from that, so why did the Bush administration stop so early on?” he said. “If they were playing team ball, surely they would walk this process all the way up to the 30-day notification period and then hold back.”

As a result, Hammond-Chambers is critical of the Bush administration.

In recent years, he noted, there has been “an extremely ugly battle [in the legislature over the arms issue] and it has hurt US-Taiwan relations in a very profound way. To not bag this now jeopardizes all that we’ve gone through to reach a point now where we’re finally able to tie this down. And, for the US to undermine that is highly questionable, it’s more than disappointing, it’s counterproductive and hypocritical.”

Tkacik blames the Ma administration.

“Taiwan is making a decision to transfer responsibility for its security from the United States to Beijing,” he told reporters, reasoning that Ma sees no need for new weapons if there is no danger of a Chinese invasion and that he is confident that China will not invade as long as Taiwan does not declare independence.
 

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Coast Guard may start patrolling Tiaoyutai islands

The China Post news staff

TAIPEI, Taiwan -- The Coast Guard Administration (CGA) may dispatch its patrol boats to the waters of the Tiaoyutai islands again in a display of its determination to protect Taiwan's fishing operations there, the CGA head said yesterday.

CGA Director General Wang Chin-wang said the Coast Guard will not rule out the possibility of entering the waters within 12 nautical miles of the Tiaoyutais in the future in order to protect Taiwan's fishing boats.

He told lawmakers that the Coast Guard would arrest any Japanese fishing boats entering the waters.

Defense Minister Chen Chao-min said the military will provide back-up for the Coast Guard's operations if the CGA requests it.

Earlier this week, Coast Guard vessels entered the Tiaoyutai waters, and confronted Japanese patrol boats guarding the area.

Wang also revealed that the CGA has determined that the Japanese patrol vessel that hit and sank the Taiwanese fishing boat Lien Ho last week off the Tiaoyutais did it deliberately.

The CGA indicates in its report to prosecutors that the Japanese vessel had the "intention to commit a misdeed," Wang said.

He said the CGA has referred the case to the Yilan District Prosecutors Office on charges that the Japanese boat inflicted bodily harm and property damage.

But Wang said the captain of the Taiwanese fishing boat Lien Ho that sank after the collision will also be subject to an investigation of alleged violation of fishery regulations for carrying recreational anglers to restricted waters.

The violations, which will be investigated by the Cabinet's Council of Agriculture, carry a fine ranging from NT$30,000 to NT$150,000.

Recreational fishing is only allowed in waters around the Taiwan proper and its major islands, but the Tiaoyutais are not among them, according to the regulations.

The Lien Ho, carrying three crew members and 13 passengers sank after colliding with the Japanese patrol boat near the Tiaoyutais.

All 16 were rescued and have returned to Taiwan.

Taiwan has demanded a formal apology and compensation from Japan, but so far Japan has failed to deliver.
 

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Official asks for Kinmen withdrawal

TOURIST ATTRACTION: Critics said that it would be ridiculous to pull troops as long as Kinmen was part of the nation's soil, but that pulling some soldiers from the area could be possible
By Flora Wang, Jimmy Chuang and Ko Shu-lin
STAFF REPORTERS
Friday, Jun 20, 2008, Page 4

Reactions were mixed yesterday from lawmakers in response to Kinmen County Commissioner Lee Chu-feng's (李炷烽) suggestion that the Ministry of National Defense (MND) withdraw armed forces from Kinmen in a bid to boost Chinese tourism in the area.

Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) Legislator Lin Yu-fang (林郁方), head of the legislature’s Diplomacy and National Defense Committee, supported the commissioner’s idea.

Calling the withdrawal “inevitable,” Lin said recalling the forces stationed on Kinmen would not have a major impact on the nation’s security.

With changes in the nature of war, the strategic importance of Kinmen among Taiwan’s offshore islands had decreased, he said, adding that only Dongyin Isle and Penghu remain important in terms of strategy.

He suggested the ministry gradually downsize the number of forces stationed in Kinmen, while turning Kinmen into a “military buffer zone.”

He said the withdrawal could also serve as a bargaining chip in cross-strait negotiations, adding that the government should demand China also turn cities on its southeast coast, such as Xiamen and Fuzhou, into non-military zones.

He also proposed holding a referendum in Kinmen for residents there to decide on the issue.

KMT Legislator Shuai Hua-ming (帥化民), also a member of the committee, echoed Lin’s view, saying that the military facilities in Kinmen could be turned into tourist attractions after the withdrawal.

KMT Legislator Ting Shou-chung (丁守中), however, opposed the idea.

“I’m against the idea because Kinmen remains important in terms of Taiwan’s defense. Military withdrawal is still out of the question given the competitive, opposing and only occasionally cooperative relations between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait,” he said.

The Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) legislative caucus yesterday also opposed Lee’s idea.

“National security should always be the priority so we should never withdraw the military from Kinmen,” DPP legislative caucus whip Yeh Yi-ching (葉宜津) said during a press conference yesterday morning.

Yeh said that it would be ridiculous to do so as long as Kinmen was part of the nation’s soil. But she said that it would be fine to decrease the total number of troops stationed there.

DPP Legislator Chai Trong-rong (蔡同榮) said the government should keep its distance from China.

“It could be a dilemma for the military if the government gets too close to China,” Chai said. “When most Taiwanese people become connected with Chinese people in more and more ways, it will become difficult for the military to decide whether to fight back if we were ever challenged or attacked by China in the future.”

Premier Liu Chao-shiuan (劉兆玄) said yesterday that it was a complicated matter to disarm Kinmen and it required careful planning and the full cooperation of the local residents.

“It is not a good idea to rush a decision,” he said. “It concerns national defense, national security and the local economy.”

Liu made the remarks during a question-and-answer session at the Executive Yuan yesterday afternoon.

While some have proposed holding a referendum, Liu said that it would be dangerous to do so.
 

kliu0

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There have been increasing reports that Taiwan's smaller airports Hualien and Taitung are not ready for Chinese tourism. This coinciding with critics arguing against the opening of airports there as it creates problems for the military. Potential spies within the Chinese tourists can also give more valid and improved information toward the Chinese military. This represents holes in Taiwan's national security, and most importantly pose a significant threat toward the safeguarding of Taiwan. Whats been increasingly frustrating and frightening is that the current administration has done nothing to counter these possible holes, and the ministry of defense has reversed its opposition to the cross-strait flights to saying that its ready. This was supposedly done under pressure from both the KMT and the administration.
 

kliu0

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Its sort of a threat I guess, because Chinese fighters can sneak under a the radar of a large commercial plane. And Chinese flights can cause confusion for a while for the military, identifying them as commercial or military.
 
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