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Janiz said:

A great one-liner post. Now at least I know why ROC is independent country... All in a few words o a wise man.

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"Wise man" should prove he's wise first by getting his own country out of recession (not to mention out of a 7-decade old dog leash) instead of burying his head in other countries' domestic issues LOL

Yeah, ROC's an independent country... that isn't recognized by the UN, and isn't allowed to join any major institutions or even international sports competitions... except maybe as Chinese Taipei LOL If that's all it takes, my house is an independent nation too! Wanna visit? I'll have to stamp your passport and if you stay past my bedtime, you get deported LOL

Janiz said:

A great one-liner post. Now at least I know why ROC is independent country... All in a few words o a wise man.

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hmm, how many lines is your reply to that "one line" post?

solarz's own word in that post was one line. But he backed his point by quoting a full length article, that makes his point many many lines.

But your reply is really really short, you should have made it more to make your point convincing.

On the "independent" matter, bringing this matter in the thread is risky to a dangerous path, we all know that, so I will only say the following once to open up your eyes.

If you care to read the constitution of both ROC and PRC, you should realize that both sides are legally within one state/country, none of them is independent from one another. So there is no independence. The so-called "Taiwan is independent country" notion is only your imagination and wish of some or many people in Taiwan, but it is a wish none of these people can openly and legally make to a reality, try UN and see. Anther example is the recent "(ROC) passport cover (Taiwan) sticker" fiasco, guess want, ROC government stated that covering Republic of China on the passport with Taiwan is a crime. People doing so were turned around at the boarder all over the world including U.S. You can also read the American history of civil war and Texas republic for a reference.

At end of the day, you and someone can imagine yourselves being a king of the world, but that dream only stay within the walls of your houses. On the street, nobody really give a dime.

solarz said:

I would say the ROC military *is* that incompetent. The only reason the ROC still exists is because the US guarantees their security.

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No wonder they put so much faith on the Mighty Eagle...and worry about the Trump version of the future.

taxiya said:

Anther example is the recent "(ROC) passport cover (Taiwan) sticker" fiasco, guess want, ROC government stated that covering Republic of China on the passport with Taiwan is a crime. People doing so were turned around at the boarder all over the world including U.S. You can also read the American history of civil war and Texas republic for a reference.

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Actually they don't anymore, no longer stopping those who do so at Taiwan's immigration checkpoint, but leaving the discretion to foreign nations' immigration checkpoints, and that's where the fun begins...

MwRYum said:

Actually they don't anymore, no longer stopping those who do so at Taiwan's immigration checkpoint, but leaving the discretion to foreign nations' immigration checkpoints, and that's where the fun begins...

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LOL, more DPP shenanigans. Would be even more funny if some countries deported them back to the mainland.

MwRYum said:

Actually they don't anymore, no longer stopping those who do so at Taiwan's immigration checkpoint, but leaving the discretion to foreign nations' immigration checkpoints, and that's where the fun begins...

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That's natural by the DPP regime, DPP once called ROC a foreign occupier before Chen Shuibian get into office.

solarz said:

LOL, more DPP shenanigans. Would be even more funny if some countries deported them back to the mainland.

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Yes, that would be funny, but won't happen I am afraid because those people would be stopped right outside of the boarder of the destination countries, so those countries even they want to (some at least) can not deport anyone who has not entered yet.

Circling back to the earlier claim of unusual radar signatures from the mainland within 1 second of the missile launch, well I think people may have been a little hasty in rejecting it as hyperbole.

Firstly, do we know what assets the PLA had in theatre at the time? Any AWACS/AEW/radar surveillance UAV aircraft, or even fighter jets on station would detect such a launch nearly instantly (although would rely on luck having the fighters pointing their noses in the right direction for fighters), and cause them to go into a higher alert operating mode as they go from peacetime monitoring mode into wartime search and track modes with a bogey on the loose (which could be a reason to launch the missile deliverately as it allows your EW assets to record valuable wartime mode emissions data on opposing systems).

Secondly, have a look at launch videos of the actual missile, they don't go sea skimming immediately upon launch, but rather enter a very steep climb to help them attain maximum range. That initial rapid climb phase of flight could easily put the missile high enough to register on mainland systems. If there were PLAN ships in the straits at the time, the height the missile needs to be to be detectable would be correspondingly lower.

Lastly, it's not beyond the realm of possibility for China to have space based early launch warning assets stationed permanently over the region.

Such assets could use either the traditional thermal detectors to look for heat spikes, or use radar or even optical sensors to detect and track fast moving objects and/or the signitures of missile launches (imagine the possibilities of such a capability used in naval warfare when combined with China's new gen of imaging and radar survillence satellites and AShBMs - launching cruise missiles, especially under cover of darkness, as is standard for first strikes, thousands of miles from China's coast will go from a low risk standard opening move to an extreme risk operation that could see the entire task force engaged by AShBMs into minutes of launching cruise missiles).

plawolf said:

Circling back to the earlier claim of unusual radar signatures from the mainland within 1 second of the missile launch, well I think people may have been a little hasty in rejecting it as hyperbole.

Firstly, do we know what assets the PLA had in theatre at the time? Any AWACS/AEW/radar surveillance UAV aircraft, or even fighter jets on station would detect such a launch nearly instantly (although would rely on luck having the fighters pointing their noses in the right direction for fighters), and cause them to go into a higher alert operating mode as they go from peacetime monitoring mode into wartime search and track modes with a bogey on the loose (which could be a reason to launch the missile deliverately as it allows your EW assets to record valuable wartime mode emissions data on opposing systems).

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I was just reading up on the article:

China Upgrading Air Defenses At Breakneck Speed



You guys probably all know this already, that China's radar system HQ-9—unlike its American and Russian contemporaries—uses active electronically scanned array radar technology, so that might cause an unusual radar signature from the mainland within 1 second of the missile launch.

I'm still a little confused about the missile incident. Why is the HF-3 called a carrier killer? It's deployed on a corvette... Is it ever big enough to do anything to a carrier?

Also, why did it take the missile 25 minutes to cover 40 NM? Was it drawing circles in the air like those bullets and missiles in classic Disney/WB cartoons???