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solarz

Brigadier
The article makes it sound like the missile launch was a planned action. I don't think so. What no one adresses is the lack of competency and discipline in the Taiwanese military that has led to this incident. This doesn't make Taiwan look good at all. And I don't see how the Taiwanese are going to be able to exploit the missile incident in their favor in any way.

Agreed. While this may be one of the most serious incidents with the ROC military, it's not the only one. The ROC has a history of problems with enlistment and training. This latest incident only serves to confirm that the ROC military has a low professional standard.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
Hmm, seems that Ted Galen subscribes to the Donald Trump position on foreign policy, i.e. "f everyone else, I'm not getting involved".

Presumably he wouldn't support Japan against China or South Korea against Pyongyang because it would be hard to see how either conflict could end well. :rolleyes:

If I remember correctly, Ted Galen always blames Taiwan for problems with its relationships with China and always suggests that China is somehow the victim.

In my view it is in the US' interests to maintain a healthy relationship with Taiwan, largely in order to help deter any hasty action from China by showing that Taiwan doesn't stand alone. Isolating Taiwan would encourage China to take action in the future, not dissuade it. And if the US is serious about its military alliance with Japan, clearly it's better for both if Taiwan remains neutral rather than be annexed by China.

Umm, maybe it's because Mr. Carpenter is looking at this from a cost benefit analysis?

The important thing is that American interests are looked after, and that doesn't include fighting a nuclear war just because the Taiwanese care about their identity.

If Tsai had any brains or guts, she'd do a Nixon.
 

siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
Umm, maybe it's because Mr. Carpenter is looking at this from a cost benefit analysis?

The important thing is that American interests are looked after, and that doesn't include fighting a nuclear war just because the Taiwanese care about their identity.

If Tsai had any brains or guts, she'd do a Nixon.

What a great way to lose her votership.
 

MwRYum

Major
Agreed. While this may be one of the most serious incidents with the ROC military, it's not the only one. The ROC has a history of problems with enlistment and training. This latest incident only serves to confirm that the ROC military has a low professional standard.
In order to make the "accident" theory floats, one'd need to convince the world that the ROC military is so incompetent that such fiasco could ever come to pass, and by common sense if a military became this incompetent it'd have long imploded on its own and Beijing can easily finish the long-standing reunification business. End of story.

Thing is, for 20-odd years the DPP has been telling the Taiwanese that the Mainland China is utterly incompetent and the US has Taiwan's backs without question, and the people believe wholeheartedly; and the HF3 since its début has been flaunt as "ace in the hole", "unstoppable" and "carrier killer"; on top of that right now the USN has 2 CBG on the prowl in the region, so here you've a perfect recipe for Tsai to throw a gatecrasher at the Mainland on July 1st...it'd have worked if not for ROCN screwed the mission up, set the missile on sea skimming mode (not enough range to reach Mainland as the result) and not at the optimal direction...the only "good news" is: it hit a fishing trawler made of fibre glass and wood, the kind of target with such a RCS that the modern stealth warship try to achieve with all those RCS-reduction technologies. Just look at how proud the Taiwanese are with the performance, and the news that potential buyers are knocking at the door got raving reviews in Taiwan as well.
 

Zetageist

Junior Member
Foreign buyers piqued by missile linked to mishap

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The Taiwanese anti-ship missile that was accidentally launched last week, hitting a Taiwanese fishing boat and killing its captain, is a powerful weapon in which foreign nations have expressed interest since the Paris Air Show last year, a source in the Ministry of National Defense told reporters.

The source said the Hsiung Feng III is the mainstay of the Taiwanese military’s ship-killing arsenal, and one of the few supersonic anti-ship missiles in the world to be independently designed and produced, making it a desirable item in the global arms market.

However, the ministry does not foresee the possibility of selling the Hsiung Feng III to other nations, as the missile has just entered mass production and is a restricted weapon whose export is constrained by factors outside of the ministry’s control, the source said.

Researched and developed by the Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology, the Hsiung Feng III has a maximum effective range of between 130km and 150km, while a new extended-range model has a range of more than 300km.

When the institute became a legal entity under the control of the Executive Yuan, it was directed to showcase Taiwan’s defense technology to the international community, and has since then actively participated in international aeronautic exhibitions, the source said.

Several potential buyers made inquiries through intermediaries about the weapon’s technical specifications following the deadly mishap, the source said.

Because it is an aircraft-carrier-killing weapon, the nation’s allies have repeatedly expressed interest in it during joint military events, the source said.

Even at the research and development stage of the missile, representatives from foreign government agencies and arms makers contacted the government and the institute about Taipei’s willingness to sell the weapon or technology related to it, the source said.

The Taiwanese military’s purchase program for the Hsiung Feng III ran from 2007 to last year, and had a total budget of NT$11.89 billion (US$368.3 million), including deployment costs.

The commonly cited price of NT$100 million for 120 missiles is a misconception, the source said, because it fails to take into account the added cost of refurbishing facilities and one-year’s supply of spare parts.
 

Zetageist

Junior Member
Military on watch before S. China Sea ruling

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TAIPEI, Taiwan -- The Taiwan military has prepared contingency measures ahead of an upcoming ruling by an international court on a dispute between the Philippines and China over the South China Sea, Defense Minister Feng Shih-kuan (馮世寬) said on Thursday.

Fielding questions during a Legislature committee session, Feng said the Ministry of National Defense (MND) has been carefully monitoring the regional situation near the South China Sea ahead of the July 12 ruling.

It is also closely watching the movements of nearby countries before the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague issues a ruling on the dispute between China and the Philippines.

The Taiwan military also has full grasp on mainland China's ongoing military exercises in an area around the disputed Paracel Islands in the South China Sea ahead of the ruling, Feng added.

Currently, the government has not raised its combat readiness and preparedness for the Taiwan-controlled Taiping Island in the South China Sea, the minister noted.

The ministry will base its responsive measures on the post-July 12 ruling situation, he added.

Asked by Kuomintang lawmaker Huang Chao-shun (黃昭順) to comment on whether Taiwan should send more troops to Taiping Island to display its military strength as a response to mainland China's drills, Feng noted that this may not be a wise move at a sensitive time. Huang further proposed that lawmakers should visit Taiping Island sometime after July 12 to assert the nation's claim, calling on Feng to join.

Feng later promised that he would do so if lawmakers insisted.

Feng made the remarks when asked to comment on the R.O.C. Armed Forces' contingency measures amid the escalating tension in the region before the ruling.

Facing China's claim in the South China Sea, the Philippines submitted a case to the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague last year arguing that the land formations Beijing claims in the South China Sea are nothing more than reefs and are therefore not entitled to 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zones.

The Philippines also argued that Taiping was a rock and not an island, and that it therefore should not have any maritime entitlements beyond 12 nautical miles.

Although Taiwan is not a party to the case, the ruling could undermine R.O.C.sovereignty claims over Taiping Island and in the South China Sea.

Yen Needs to Take Responsibility over Misfire

Meanwhile, Feng said during Thursday's session that Chief of the General Staff Gen. Yen De-fa (嚴德發) should also take responsibility for the recent Hsiung Feng III anti-ship missile misfire that killed a Taiwanese fishing vessel captain last Friday.

As Chief of the General Staff, Yen has the responsibility to supervise military major drills, Feng said. But the minister said so far Navy Commander Adm. Huang Shu-kuang (黃曙光) was the highest-level military official the ministry has decided to punish.

The minister said that he had presided over a military discipline review meeting on Wednesday during which he ordered all military units to conduct a review on standard weapon fire procedures within 45 days to make sure such a blunder will not happen again.
 

Zetageist

Junior Member
Surface Forces: Taiwan Goes It Alone

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July 6, 2016: In June 2016 Taiwan revealed another major purchase of locally built warships. For about $15 billion Taiwan will build and put into service a 7,000 ton Aegis type destroyer, a frigate, a submarine, high-speed mine layer, a 16,000 ton LPD amphibious ship and a multipurpose transport ship. In addition Taiwan will design and build its own armored amphibious assault vehicle (similar to the American AAV7) and an underwater naval commando delivery vehicle (similar to ones the U.S. Navy SEALs use). Taiwan will also develop and build most of the electronics for this ships and use existing and planned Taiwanese built anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles. This is a major move for Taiwan, which has long sought to buy much of this stuff more cheaply abroad. Taiwan believes that is no longer a realistic option.

For over a decade Taiwan has been attempting to upgrade its military with new weapons and better training, yet there is little progress in either area. Purchase of new weapons was quietly delayed and training reforms put off. While making the military stronger is popular with Taiwanese in general, for a long time government officials seemed more concerned with not upsetting China. Despite that China has vigorously opposed any efforts to help build a stronger Taiwanese military. This growing military weakness versus China has become more of an issue in Taiwan and there was growing pressure to improve training and reduce corruption within the military before it was too late. Yet many Taiwanese prefer to believe that the United States will protect Taiwan from Chinese aggression. That is no longer a sure thing either and over the last few years Taiwan has been preparing for the worse.

In 2015 China put into service two 3,000 ton patrol ships, which are the largest ships in the Coast Guard. Each ship is armed with one 40mm and two 20mm autocannon plus a water cannon. There is a helicopter landing pad aft and the ships have a top speed of 43 kilometers an hour and endurance of about three weeks. One will patrol the South China Sea and the other the East China Sea. These two ships are part of a $790 million building program begun in 2008 and when it is completed in the next few years the coast guard will have 37 new vessels. At that point the coast guard will have 173 ships and patrol boats. Many of these will be operating near Taiwan.

In response the Taiwanese Navy is building more heavily armed patrol boats. For example, in late 2014, four years after issuing the contract (to design and build the first of twelve 500 ton stealthy twin-hulled missile boats) Taiwan commissioned (put into service) the first of these ships. Construction took about two years and the first ship cost $72 million. These are actually large missile boats designated as corvettes. Each carries 16 anti-ship missiles (eight Hsiung Feng 2 subsonic/range of 160 kilometers and eight Hsiung Feng 3 supersonic/range 130 kilometers), a 76mm gun, a 20mm Phalanx autocannon (for missile defense), two 12.7mm machine-gun and six torpedo tubes plus a large array of electronics, including electronic countermeasures. The stealth and defensive electronics are meant to keep these ships afloat long enough to use most of their missiles against their more numerous Chinese counterparts. This includes the new Chinese aircraft carriers. These corvettes have a crew of 41, a top speed of 71 kilometers an hour and a helicopter pad. These ships carry sufficient fuel, water and food to stay at sea up to a week at a time. They are basically coastal defense ships. These new corvettes are the continuation of a trend in the Taiwanese Navy, which sees small ships carrying lots of anti-ship missiles as the key to success against the Chinese navy.

In 2010 the first of 31 smaller KH-6 guided missile patrol boats entered service. These 34.2 meter (106 foot) long, seven meter (22 foot) wide, 170 ton ships have a crew of 19. They were armed with four Hsiung Feng-2 anti-ship missiles, a 20mm autocannon, two 7.62mm machine-guns, and two decoy (for incoming missiles) launchers. Top speed is 55 kilometers an hour. At cruising speed of 22 kilometers an hour, the ships can stay at sea for about two days at a time. All 31 KH-6s are now in service. The KH-6s replace thirty older and smaller (57 ton) Hai Ou class boats. These patrol boats guard the coast, and especially the 180 kilometers wide Taiwan Straits that separate China and Taiwan.

The one major weakness of these missile boats is that they have no real air defenses and depend on the Taiwanese maintaining air superiority whenever and wherever these small craft are operating. Without that air cover these small ships would be target practice for Chinese warplanes. That appears to be one reason for the new program to build locally what could not be obtained overseas (because of Chinese diplomacy and threats).
 

navyreco

Senior Member
Taiwan Started Designing its Own Diesel-Electric SSK Submarines
The Republic of China (ROC or Taiwan) Navy said on Thursday it has started design work on its domestic attack submarine programme, hoping to complete it in 2024. Navy Command Headquarters Chief of Staff Vice Admiral Mei Chia-shu told a legislative committee session: “We plan to complete the design by 2019 and complete the construction by 2024.”

The submarine programme is part of Taiwan's new naval acquisition plan which was unveiled late last year. The ROC Navy also have a Destroyer programme as part of this plan.

Vice Admiral Hsiao Wei-min said last year that "at present the navy's demand is submarines ranging from 1,200-3,000 tons".

Mei said the navy signed a contract with a Dutch company earlier this year to extend the lifespan of the two subs so Taiwan could use the design blueprint as the basis for the construction of the first home-built submarine.
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solarz

Brigadier
In order to make the "accident" theory floats, one'd need to convince the world that the ROC military is so incompetent that such fiasco could ever come to pass, and by common sense if a military became this incompetent it'd have long imploded on its own and Beijing can easily finish the long-standing reunification business. End of story.

Thing is, for 20-odd years the DPP has been telling the Taiwanese that the Mainland China is utterly incompetent and the US has Taiwan's backs without question, and the people believe wholeheartedly; and the HF3 since its début has been flaunt as "ace in the hole", "unstoppable" and "carrier killer"; on top of that right now the USN has 2 CBG on the prowl in the region, so here you've a perfect recipe for Tsai to throw a gatecrasher at the Mainland on July 1st...it'd have worked if not for ROCN screwed the mission up, set the missile on sea skimming mode (not enough range to reach Mainland as the result) and not at the optimal direction...the only "good news" is: it hit a fishing trawler made of fibre glass and wood, the kind of target with such a RCS that the modern stealth warship try to achieve with all those RCS-reduction technologies. Just look at how proud the Taiwanese are with the performance, and the news that potential buyers are knocking at the door got raving reviews in Taiwan as well.

I would say the ROC military *is* that incompetent. The only reason the ROC still exists is because the US guarantees their security.

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Training

Disaster prevention and relief have become core missions of the Taiwan armed forces since Typhoon Marakot struck the island in 2009. The military, including reserves, now routinely conducts disaster preparedness exercises across the island, which is taking away from limited combat training and exercises. Joint training is largely limited to the annual Han Kuang command post wargame. This years’ Han Kuang 29 was the first exercise in several years to include a live fire phase. Combined arms field training is greatly inhibited by space limitations. There is also the fear of accidents that restricts realism and limits the effectiveness of unit training and exercises. Officers are held accountable for training accidents in their units regardless of whether they had any responsibility, with careers effectively ended when something goes wrong. The limited reserve training will have a significant impact on the Army’s defensive brigades even though they have a single mission. Once mobilized in a crisis, these reserve brigades will require training to bring them up to a minimal operational capability because of the short training period when first called up. In addition, they will need to prepare their defensive positions and extensive obstacle belts, which could easily require weeks. In addition to reduced initial training, reservists who are called up for training often perform disaster relief-related training rather than combat training, further lowering their readiness for combat missions (Taipei Times, February 24; TWQDR 2009, p. 25).
 
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