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Jeff Head

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It looks like the pilot's jet plane engine stalled and he either didn't have time or the g-force was too great during a barrel roll that he couldn't pull the ejection handle in time. Poor guy...RIP.:(
Sad indeed.

God's belssings to his family and loved ones...RIP.

BTW, Mr. Equation. Two mor epostrs and you will join us in the SD 5,000 post club!

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joshuatree

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More pics and video of new Tuo Jiang corvette class.

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FORBIN

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Yes 12, maybe replace Corvettes Jin Chiang but get only 20 years or additional, this is not luxury...:)

Ideally a RAM would be better as a Phalanx, CIWS almost unnecessary against aircrafts, RAM is polyvalent.
But still a powerful corvette ofc.

Normaly used in couple with Missile Boats Kuang Hua 6, flotilla mixed.
 

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Taiwan, Asia’s Secret Air Power
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A look at what Taiwan is doing to ensure its air defense and why it matters for the United States and the region.



By Ian Easton

September 25, 2014

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When current and former world leaders, including Bill Clinton, visit Taiwan, they often stay at the Grand Hotel Taipei, an opulent Chinese architectural landmark perched atop Yuan Mountain. With spectacular views of the downtown riverfront and a palm-lined swimming pool surrounded by lush green jungle, guests at the Grand Hotel could be forgiven for thinking they had arrived at one of the most peaceful spots in East Asia.

In fact, just under their feet lies a vast underground command center from which Taiwan’s top leadership would direct their nation’s armed forces in the event of a war with China. This facility, like many around the high-tech island, shows that when it comes to the defense of Taiwan, there is much more than meets the eye.

Known officially as the Tri-Service Hengshan Military Command Center, the sprawling tunnel facility stretches through the mountain in a line that starts near the Grand Hotel and goes down to the giant Ferris wheel in Dazhi. Built to defend against China’s growing fleet of ballistic missiles, this hardened nerve center is designed to allow Taiwan’s government (and thousands of military personnel) to live and work for months, riding out air raids above while organizing the defense of Taiwan from below.

Linked to a large network of subterranean command posts and military bases around Taiwan and its outer islands – as well as the U.S. Pacific Command in Hawaii – the Hengshan Military Command Center is the ultimate redoubt for Taiwan’s president. It is so important, in fact, that China’s strategic rocket force, the Second Artillery, has actually simulated missile attacks on the bridges that connect it to the Presidential Office.

On the other side of the city, buried inside a wet rocky outcropping near the campus of National Taiwan University, lies another tunnel complex, the Air Operations Center. Known affectionately as “Toad Mountain” by Taiwanese air force officers, this facility oversees one of the most robust air and missile defense networks on the planet. Fed vast quantities of information by airborne early-warning aircraft, long-range radars, listening posts, unmanned aerial vehicles and satellites, Toad Mountain stands constant watch over all of Taiwan’s airspace, ready to scramble fighters or assign surface-to-air missiles to intercept intruders. And, like every other Taiwanese military facility, it has multiple back-ups. Just in case.

One of those back-ups is located on Taiwan’s east coast inside Chiashan or “Optimal Mountain,” not far from the mouth of a gorge cut through pure white marble. Unlike the gorge, however, no tourists are allowed inside this billion dollar bunker complex. According to first-person accounts, the base is an entire military city built inside a hollowed-out mountain. Not only does it have space inside for parking, arming, and repairing over two hundred fighter aircraft, it also has its own hospital and multiple gas stations serving jet fuel. With ten blast doors that exit out to multiple runways via a long taxiway that can itself be used as an emergency runway, it may be toughest airbase ever built.

Ninety miles down the coastline, Taiwan’s air force is further bolstered by the Shihzishan or “Stone Mountain” complex at Chihhang Air Base. Though somewhat smaller than Chiashan, its labyrinthine tunnels can still shelter some eighty aircraft. Both of these facilities benefit from their strategic locations on the far side of the highest mountain range in East Asia. Missiles fired from the Chinese mainland can’t reach them – they would smash into the side of mountains before they got there.

For this reason Taiwan regularly practices dispersing its fighter jets from vulnerable west coast bases to airfields on the east coast. Units are also moved between bases to make it difficult to predict where they might be at any given time, and dummy aircraft are parked on tarmacs and inside shelters to confuse enemy intelligence.

To further mitigate the threat of a knock-out Chinese missile strike on its airfields, Taiwan’s air force maintains five emergency highway strips where it can land, refuel, rearm, and launch fighters in the event that nearby runways are cratered. In addition, each Taiwanese airbase has large engineering units attached to it with ample stocks of equipment for rapidly repairing runways. Clocking in at four hours, Israel’s Self Defense Force used to have the world speed record in the runway repair game. No longer. Earlier this year a team of Taiwanese sappers beat that record by an hour.

Facing an existential threat from China and its much larger military, these are just a few of many examples of how Taiwan’s military is using quality to offset its quantitative shortcomings. Whether or not Taiwan can pull it off could hardly be more important for the United States and the future of the Asia-Pacific region.

Indeed, if the contest of the century is to be waged between the U.S. and China for primacy in the Pacific, Taiwan will be the center of the action. Look at any map and it should quickly become apparent why. Taiwan sits at the crossroads between the East and South China Seas, within torpedo range of the world’s most heavily trafficked sea lanes. Not only critical for bottling the Chinese navy up inside the first island chain–and thereby protecting Japan and the Philippines from the threat of naval blockade–Taiwan also plays a leading role in the air.

With China fielding ballistic missiles for targeting U.S. aircraft carrier groups in the Western Pacific and Andersen Air Force Base on Guam, Taiwan’s defenses matter more now than ever. Chinese missiles would have to go through Taiwan’s airspace on the way to their targets. With the right combination of high-powered ballistic missile defense radars and interceptors, Taiwan can serve as a shield to protect deployed American forces during a contingency.

This potential was inadvertently revealed in late 2012 when North Korea launched a long-range rocket into the Philippine Sea. At the time, Taiwan’s new ultra high frequency (UHF) radar system was able to track the missile and provide the U.S. and Japanese warships with 120 seconds of extra warning time, an eternity in the short life of a hypersonic missile flight.

For this reason and many others, China’s Communist Party leadership in Beijing continues to see Taiwan as its most worrisome external political and diplomatic problem. Viewed by Beijing as the Chinese world’s first liberal democracy, Taiwan’s remarkable political success story casts China’s oppressive system in an unfavorable comparative light.

To combat what it thinks is a grave political threat, Beijing’s strategy has been to employ a combination of coercive and cooperative measures to isolate (and eventually subjugate) Taiwan. The most prominent aspect of China’s strategy is its missile build-up, which aims to intimidate the voters in Taiwan and policymakers in the United States.

Yet without the ability to dominate the air domain, any Chinese attempt to blockade or invade Taiwan would be disastrous. This may explain why China’s amphibious fleet has not grown by a single ship since 2007. It makes little sense for any navy to spend limited resources on ships that could be sunk at the outset of war.

However, the air and missile threat to Taiwan, and by extension the United States, is very real and growing fast. China’s Second Artillery Force has developed and tested a ballistic missile warhead for targeting airfield runways with penetrating cluster munitions. At the same time, China has been able to convince two successive U.S. administrations (and three French Presidents) to freeze the sale of new fighter jets to Taiwan, leading to a widening “fighter gap” in the Taiwan Strait.

Without new F-16 or Mirage-2000 fighters, Taiwan knows that it may soon find itself overwhelmed in the air even though its pilots are far better trained than their mainland adversaries. In an air war quality may be the most important factor, but quantity matters a lot too. Fortunately, Taiwan’s government appears to be making serious progress on developing its own indigenous means of undercutting China’s growing missile and air forces. While Taiwan will be hard pressed to ensure that it always has cross-strait air superiority, it can easily deny the same to China. By developing and fielding a number of world-class capabilities to survive missile strikes and keep enemy aircraft from freely operating in its airspace, Taiwan may have broken the code on deterring Chinese aggression.

Ian Easton is a research fellow at the Project 2049 Institute in Arlington, VA. He was also a recent visiting fellow at the Japan Institute of International Affairs in Tokyo. Previously, he was a China analyst at the Center for Naval Analyses.
 

Skywatcher

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Easton certainly continues to take ROC press releases and gossip at face value, doesn't he?

As for the Tuo Jiang, they should be building at least several dozen of them (12 wouldn't be enough to survive attrition before meeting PLAN surface warships).
 

Blitzo

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Errr.... yeah the article makes a few mistakes, putting it lightly.

Ninety miles down the coastline, Taiwan’s air force is further bolstered by the Shihzishan or “Stone Mountain” complex at Chihhang Air Base. Though somewhat smaller than Chiashan, its labyrinthine tunnels can still shelter some eighty aircraft. Both of these facilities benefit from their strategic locations on the far side of the highest mountain range in East Asia. Missiles fired from the Chinese mainland can’t reach them – they would smash into the side of mountains before they got there.

I wonder if the author knows about cruise missiles that have flight waypoints or ballistic missiles with terminal precision guidance.


For this reason and many others, China’s Communist Party leadership in Beijing continues to see Taiwan as its most worrisome external political and diplomatic problem. Viewed by Beijing as the Chinese world’s first liberal democracy, Taiwan’s remarkable political success story casts China’s oppressive system in an unfavorable comparative light.

Putting aside the "remarkable political success" (which is questionable at best, given a variety of rather high profile scandals over the years), China's policy on Taiwan wouldn't change regardless of whether it is democratic, autocratic, or even communist. As long as they have the capacity to announce independence then it is considered a contingency that must be planned for.


Yet without the ability to dominate the air domain, any Chinese attempt to blockade or invade Taiwan would be disastrous. This may explain why China’s amphibious fleet has not grown by a single ship since 2007. It makes little sense for any navy to spend limited resources on ships that could be sunk at the outset of war.

I suppose they've missed the 071s built since 2007?
Not to mention the slight issue that ROCAF doesn't exactly have the most extensive anti shipping capabilities in the first place. A few dozen harpoons and Maverick missiles, while credible, aren't exactly that frightening. I'd consider ROC's distributed land based AShMs (which are more easily hidden and less vulnerable than air bases) to be more potent anti shipping weapons.

also, the PLA doesn't necessarily need complete air superiority to conduct a blockade or even an amphibious invasion; that is to say, they will have to deny ROCAF control of the air (e.g.: destruction of airbases and aircraft) but won't have to control airspace over taiwan compltely (i.e.: destruction of all SAMs, which is a much more difficult task). A blockade can obviously go unhindered by airpower if ROCAF can't launch strike packages, and an amphibious invasion won't face opposing air strikes -- of course it will be difficult for PLAAF to provide CAS for troops as well, but most of PLAAF is not orientated around that role anyway. If we inspect the majority of their A2G arsenal they focus on AShMs and standoff munitions, which clearly indicates they are intended to target relatively fixed or semi mobile defensive or command sites while facing an operational or semi operational IADS, rather than operating USAF/coalitions style in dropping LGBs and JDAMs in support of ground troops while having complete air superiority unhindered by any sembelance of opposing air defence.


Without new F-16 or Mirage-2000 fighters, Taiwan knows that it may soon find itself overwhelmed in the air even though its pilots are far better trained than their mainland adversaries. In an air war quality may be the most important factor, but quantity matters a lot too. Fortunately, Taiwan’s government appears to be making serious progress on developing its own indigenous means of undercutting China’s growing missile and air forces. While Taiwan will be hard pressed to ensure that it always has cross-strait air superiority, it can easily deny the same to China. By developing and fielding a number of world-class capabilities to survive missile strikes and keep enemy aircraft from freely operating in its airspace, Taiwan may have broken the code on deterring Chinese aggression.

I'm really not sure what indigenous means of countering the PLA missile and air force the author is talking about -- air defence radars, bunkers, SAMs, distributed assets? I mean, they're all valid and useful but they aren't exactly new either, the author makes it sound like they've only sprung in the last year to counter PLA advancements, when it is probably better said that PLA advancements in recent years was made to counter those ROC military defenses.

It's clearly an article with a preconceived slant, and while I won't criticize the arguably poor assessment of PLA capabilities, I think the author's underestimation of Taiwan's lack of strategic depth (i.e.: land mass) is the biggest issue. Surround any small land mass with a larger land mass that has the capacity to launch a large number of high speed ballistic and cruise missiles from distributed areas, and it becomes a question of how well the defender's missile and air defence can handle a large variety of multi axis and multi flight profile incomings. Less land mass means less space for the opfor to search for air defence radars and SAM batteries and more ease to locate and destroy them. The one thing the author does get right is that creating redundancy for command and control systems is probably the most important thing the ROC military can do for themselves.
The big question mark is how effective their ballistic missile defenses are when the first wave of SRBMs with anti airfield and penetrating warheads attack air bases and C2 sites.

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It's also worth remembering that training of pilots is important, but the size and redundancy of one system versus another is arguably more important for a modern war. (And that's assuming ROCAF pilots are still "better trained" than PLAAF pilots, which I'm not sure we can say to be true in this day and age)
Systems require large AEWCs, airborne and ground command posts, SIGINT/ELINT/ECM platforms, supporting missile and air strike capability, ground surveillance and reconnaisance, and they all need to be flexible with room to maneuvre, distributed and have multiple platforms of each to ensure redundancy. ROC military can have redundancy, but its forces have limited room to maneuvre and are limited in their ability to distribute platforms as well.
 
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asif iqbal

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I think Taiwan is turning to asymmetrical warfare as big ticket items from the US are no longer on the table

Those F16 and Mirage 2000 are good in the early 1990s, today they would not hold out for long against a ever more powerful China
 

Zetageist

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I wonder if the author knows about cruise missiles that have flight waypoints or ballistic missiles with terminal precision guidance.

It's clearly an article with a preconceived slant, and while I won't criticize the arguably poor assessment of PLA capabilities, I think the author's underestimation of Taiwan's lack of strategic depth (i.e.: land mass) is the biggest issue. Surround any small land mass with a larger land mass that has the capacity to launch a large number of high speed ballistic and cruise missiles from distributed areas, and it becomes a question of how well the defender's missile and air defence can handle a large variety of multi axis and multi flight profile incomings. Less land mass means less space for the opfor to search for air defence radars and SAM batteries and more ease to locate and destroy them. The one thing the author does get right is that creating redundancy for command and control systems is probably the most important thing the ROC military can do for themselves.
The big question mark is how effective their ballistic missile defenses are when the first wave of SRBMs with anti airfield and penetrating warheads attack air bases and C2 sites.

Difficult mountainous terrains of Taiwan made up some of Taiwan's lack of strategic depth (i.e.: land mass). Central Mountain range in Taiwan does provide ideal places to setup radar stations and hide airplane fields. Those mountains are among the highest in East Asia and very rocky, so I think the author was talking about if the hidden airbase was on the east side of the central mountain range, it could definitely to block most of land based PLA missiles from Mainland China where most quantity, unless those missiles can do U-turn.

And of course if Taiwan were ever taken by PLA in the future, with rocky mountains and one of the deepest ocean trench in the world (Google Earth), the east coast of Taiwan is an ideal place for a major PLAN submarine base, just like Hainan Island. PLAN's tactical nuclear submarines can sneak in and out of their underwater base undetected by satellites or from air. By that time, US navy's carrier groups would have to retreat to 2nd island chain and spelt the end of US dominance in East Asia. Of course, then the PLAN submarine base in east coast Taiwan would have to be able to withstand occasional magnitude 6+ earthquakes.

I think the biggest problem facing Taiwan military today is the morale and monetary incentives provided PLA to turn into informers. Just like the Ming Dynasty built Great Wall to keep out barbarians, Taiwan is building massive missile defense line to keep out aggressors.
 
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Blitzo

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Difficult mountainous terrains of Taiwan made up some of Taiwan's lack of strategic depth (i.e.: land mass). Central Mountain range in Taiwan does provide ideal places to setup radar stations and hide airplane fields. Those mountains are among the highest in East Asia and very rocky, so I think the author was talking about if the hidden airbase was on the east side of the central mountain range, it could definitely to block most of land based PLA missiles from Mainland China where most quantity, unless those missiles can do U-turn.

I doubt one can "hide" an airfield or airbase needed for modern fighter jets in a mountain range given the mass of machinery and people to not only build the base, but also the maintain logistics for it.

Cruise missiles definitely can do U turns, and ballistic missiles will be coming down on a ballistic flight profile anyway. We aren't talking about unguided MLRS rockets here, we're talking about powered cruise missiles which are basically small aircraft, and ballistic missiles being bombs dropping from altitudes of dozens of kilometers at high speed, all with precision guidance.

I don't think the author was advocating "hiding" airbases at all, rather using highways as runways and hardened bunkers in the mountain side. The problem with highways, is that you'll need the flexibility to coordinate your logistics teams with your aircraft after a likely bombardment on command/control locations and logistics sites, which is no easy feat.
The problem with hardened bunkers in mountains, is that once an entrance is identified, one can lob a few penetrating and/or anti airfield missiles at the entrance which will dramatically hinder its availability if not remove it completely. And I doubt PLA is unaware of the important hidden aircraft and command/control bunkers on the island given satellite recon and human intelligence.


I think the biggest problem facing Taiwan military today is the morale and monetary incentives provided PLA to turn into informers. Just like the Ming Dynasty built Great Wall to keep out barbarians, Taiwan is building massive missile defense line to keep out aggressors.

I think the quality and quantity gap is the biggest problem. PLA today isn't what it was thirty, twenty, or even ten years ago, meanwhile ROC military has made only mild qualitative improvements since last decade.

Morale can be made to rise depending on how any crisis shapes up. If the populace is presented with a perceived existential threat then the military may well experience greater willingness to fight to the death.

I'd rather not frame the military on each side as aggressors or whatever. Both sides know where the red line is, and what will happen if it's crossed.
 
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