Taiwan "Han Kuang" exercises

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yehe

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Here are some pics of the excersise. Enjoy....



4) ROC air force F-16 fighter jets fly in formation as they drop anti-missile deterrents during the second day of the annual Hankuang military exercises, Wednesday, May 16, 2007, off of Ilan, central eastern coast of Taiwan.

Hmm.... fly in formation? so close? looks like a air show more than a combat excercise?
 

bd popeye

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Hmm.... fly in formation? so close? looks like a air show more than a combat excercise?

Friend I'm just posting pics to stimulate conversation.:) However I do agee that that pic was taken at some sort of air power demonstration/airshow.
 

szbd

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well polish-soviet war isent good example of anything else than that If big country is in middle of civil war, it cannot be that effectrive. And if you add to the result the ego-class between Strotski and Stalin daiting those days you cannot expect much triumph for the soviet side. Our winter war is more closer to be an example for Taiwanese. And it's agood example how small country with inadequate weaponry can beat numerically and qualitity superior country.

Your reasonigs about PRCs advantages are bit weird as many of your statements have nothing to do with the actual warfighting. Most ridicilous was the statement that Taiwanese relying on western doctrines and tactics would somehow be it's downside? And this is based on what?

Taiwan have one big avantage to the situation where we where back in 1939...It's an island. So it means that PLA must rely on it's ability to gain full naval and air superioty to order to perform massive enough landing operation to takeover the island. But PLANs amphipious capapility is not even near the strenght required for such a massive landing operations. It still relyes on old generation of peaching tank landing ships that arent very usefull against defended coastlines....and in maxium these units cannot transfer even single divison whit its all personel and equipment to shore. What china needs is modern LDHs and LPHs whit fast howercraft LCVPs and more impressive helicopter-moving units. Transportion is the most difficoult military operation inspite its 'uncool' appearance. Its when the troops are most defendless and unoperative and perhaps only US whit its all allies can actually invade other countryes (whit world class military, like Taiwan has) by seaborne attack.

....and you forget that Taiwan has these robot-killer-satelites to shoot down nazi-commies missiles and play around whit its mafia led governmaent that wants to massacare whole taiwanese population:D :p ;) :D

I actually think LST is more capable than LHD in this kind of mission. Before you secure the beach head, an LST makes no difference with a similar displacement LPD, just send out amphibious vehecles. Helicopters and LCACs can take off from Chinese coast. When you already have a beach head, an LST is better than all other ships because it can transfer the vehecles straight to the beach head and no need load to LCACs.
 

szbd

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That day I was watching CCTV 4(it is a chinese channel in US).

then this program come up about this excersice taiwan just had. (Han Kuang)

As all you guys know, my chinese is very limited, so i call my mom and help to understand what is going on:eek:

The reporter even invited a chinese 4 star general to the show.

2 main point he stated

those computer simulation can only served as reference. no more then that. because both side don't know exactly the real capbility of some certain weopan and tactic they are going to use.

Then use this simultaion taiwan government can show the taiwan public that PLA will win in some way, and then cast fear in to the public, SO they can pass the law about buying more weopan from US. (like more destoryer, F-16, Patriot 3 missles)

The excersice serves as a double edge sword, one a military reference and a political tool.;)

China doesn't have 4 star general. I think that should be a senior colonol
 

szbd

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I have a question. Does Taiwan have any permanant castal defences? A lot of the Taiwanese coastline is mudflats, which are bad to land on. A few very strong costal defences (bunkers, anti-tank launchers and guns, tunnels, mines, obstacles and AAA) between Tung-Hsiao and Sang-Wan and also around Taipei would deter attack there and would be a way to "persuade" the Chinese to land farther away from the capital and in less appealing territory.

Yes they have, very tough bunkers and batteries. They dug for decades.
 

szbd

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I wonder if this will be off topic. Do you guys think that Taiwan include other foreign help in this simulation? And my main concern is with so much debate on the deployment time of US's cvbg, is there any possibility that Taiwan will inform or hint US that it will declare for independence some time in the future so US can make enough preparation against the much debated war between US & China? Wonder how's it gonna be like if 8 CVBG arrives at the same time in the war.

Without US permission, they do not dare to do that. The whole thing is about political power, you don't get US permission and declare independence, you are over inside that island.
 

szbd

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I certainly hope that the ROCA isn't going to defend its cities like they are in that picture. Parking a truck in the street and hiding behind it? Sounds like they are paintballing or something.

It doesn't sound like Taiwan's missle stocks are in very good shape. If those were all the missles that were fired (reported in the article), then Taiwan's SAM systems are looking like it has a 50% hit rate. Which isn't too good. Then again they didn't fire more advanced missles like the PAC-3 or the Sky Sword. AND that article seemed pretty inaccurate based on the "Revenger missle" comment.

Slowly but surely the technology balance is tilting more and more in China's favor (it already is). The fact that Taiwan is being forced to go on Wild Weasel missions is very telling. Previously the Taiwanese could count on the fact that PLAAF aircraft would have to come to them. They no longer have that assurance, and now must fly into the teeth of China's air defences.

I think the revenger is the system that launch hawk AA missiles
 

Unit88

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Look guys, not being biased or anything but if Taiwan joins China, then everybody will be be happy. as of now, America is itching for a war with China, although they dont state it directly. I forgot in which article, but the UNiteed States declared that they will stand by Taiwan if IT becomes invaded, meaning that if China tries to unite Taiwan then war is an option. What i dont understand is what is so bad about Taiwan being annexed with China. What is so "evil" about the PRC that Taiwan fights so fiercly against?
 

bd popeye

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unit88, you should read the Tiawan relations act of 1979

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Since then the US has recognized "One China" with the capitol being Beijing. It is my understanding that the US would only help the Tiawan if the PRC attacked them. If Tiawan declared itself independent of the PRC they would have to stand alone.

Any sort of bravado you hear comming from the Pentagon is partially because that's the way the Pentagon goes fishing for more defense dollars. They need a possible foe. That's why all the retoric. That's how the game is played. They(Pentagon) talk. No nothing politicans listen . Defense lobbist talk to congressmen and those defense dollars keep rolling into the US DoD.
 
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