Syrian Crisis...2013
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or could be US soften up syria, but not to the point rebel can win the war. so the tic tac continue going on in syria for years to come. basically let the middle east fight each other, while west set back and watch and keep both side in balance.
or could be US soften up syria, but not to the point rebel can win the war. so the tic tac continue going on in syria for years to come. basically let the middle east fight each other, while west set back and watch and keep both side in balance.
asif iqbal
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Yes he said he will need one sarin gas canister, wether he gets it or not is unclear
But it wouldn't be the first time, independent inspectors already said that it was the rebels that used chemical weapons last time which was few months back
Believe me what comes after Assad is going to be much worse than Assad, Assad was not perfect but he wasn't causing any issues to anyone just minding his own business
Yes he said he will need one sarin gas canister, wether he gets it or not is unclear
But it wouldn't be the first time, independent inspectors already said that it was the rebels that used chemical weapons last time which was few months back
Believe me what comes after Assad is going to be much worse than Assad, Assad was not perfect but he wasn't causing any issues to anyone just minding his own business
asif iqbal
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US is planning on hitting both sides, the Al Nusra front head quarters on the outskirts of Aleppo and Ministry of defence of Assad in Damascus
US is planning on hitting both sides, the Al Nusra front head quarters on the outskirts of Aleppo and Ministry of defence of Assad in Damascus
asif iqbal
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Royal Navy also has massive military assets deployed in the Mediterranean total of ten vessels plus one submarine
HMS Illustrious LHD
HMS Bulwark LPD
HMS Westminister FFG
HMS Montrose FFG
Plus 6 RFA vessels
Plus a SSN
Royal Navy also has massive military assets deployed in the Mediterranean total of ten vessels plus one submarine
HMS Illustrious LHD
HMS Bulwark LPD
HMS Westminister FFG
HMS Montrose FFG
Plus 6 RFA vessels
Plus a SSN
TerraN_EmpirE
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My understanding is that the RN is sending in at least one more SSN to help with Tomahawk launches.
To that you have 4 AEGIS destroyers carrying probably at least 100 Tomahawks, and at least one or two SSNs with another 24. If the US Navy is serious about a large Tomahawk attack, one the the East Coast Ohio SSGNs will be there with another 150 Tomahwaks, meaning about 275 available Tomahawks from the US Navy, and up to 24 or so from the RN for a 300 strike availability.
Then you have the US Air Force which can send in B-1s, B-2s, or B-52s, probably from the States for this mission with all sorts of standoff ordinances including cruise missiles.
Then you have the French who are sending an entire CVN Battle Group in to support (meaning add extra defense for the other vessels) and provide additional airstrike capability.
I do not know what the Italians will add or the Turks, but I believe they will add some frigates for additional defense of the major vessels as well.
Too much Sea Power there for the Russians to counter or defeat, and too much for the Syrians to defeat with shore launched missiles should any of those allied vessels get into range.
However, as I said, Russia and others will only allow this to go so far.
They have too many interests in the area that are true national interests to allow Syria to be taken down out of hand. So they will warn the US and its allies, through back channels, about what those limits are. Personally, I expect all of that has already happened and Obama is going to launch some sort of attack that allows him to say he was "strong against chemical use" (even though I do not believe at all that it was Assad who launched them...so more of a "wag the dog"), but that will not really change any military dynamics or balance on the ground.
At this point, I fear that is the best we can hope for.
Well, they will need the two frigates and the SSN to adequaitely defend the Illustrious and the Bulwark...which would only be of use should there be a need for sending in choppers and troops, which I highly doubt will occur. Though the SSN can perform both roles and also launch cruise missiles.
My understanding is that the RN is sending in at least one more SSN to help with Tomahawk launches.
To that you have 4 AEGIS destroyers carrying probably at least 100 Tomahawks, and at least one or two SSNs with another 24. If the US Navy is serious about a large Tomahawk attack, one the the East Coast Ohio SSGNs will be there with another 150 Tomahwaks, meaning about 275 available Tomahawks from the US Navy, and up to 24 or so from the RN for a 300 strike availability.
Then you have the US Air Force which can send in B-1s, B-2s, or B-52s, probably from the States for this mission with all sorts of standoff ordinances including cruise missiles.
Then you have the French who are sending an entire CVN Battle Group in to support (meaning add extra defense for the other vessels) and provide additional airstrike capability.
I do not know what the Italians will add or the Turks, but I believe they will add some frigates for additional defense of the major vessels as well.
Too much Sea Power there for the Russians to counter or defeat, and too much for the Syrians to defeat with shore launched missiles should any of those allied vessels get into range.
However, as I said, Russia and others will only allow this to go so far.
They have too many interests in the area that are true national interests to allow Syria to be taken down out of hand. So they will warn the US and its allies, through back channels, about what those limits are. Personally, I expect all of that has already happened and Obama is going to launch some sort of attack that allows him to say he was "strong against chemical use" (even though I do not believe at all that it was Assad who launched them...so more of a "wag the dog"), but that will not really change any military dynamics or balance on the ground.
At this point, I fear that is the best we can hope for.
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To be fair, the only real long range, land attack capability that the RN has are in its SSNs, considering they've retired the harrier and none of their surface combatants have tomahawk capability (a great oversight imho).
I doubt the LHD and LHD will come into play. No one's planning on sending in boots yet
To be fair, the only real long range, land attack capability that the RN has are in its SSNs, considering they've retired the harrier and none of their surface combatants have tomahawk capability (a great oversight imho).
I doubt the LHD and LHD will come into play. No one's planning on sending in boots yet
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What about Russia parking it's ships and air defense assets in Tartous and taking pock shots at the missiles fired by NATO?
What about Russia parking it's ships and air defense assets in Tartous and taking pock shots at the missiles fired by NATO?
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That would invite them to become military targets and they would be very, very restricted and at a huge disadvantage there in port.
I believe the Russians will let the allies know what their "line" is, and then should they have to respond, it will be from some position at sea where they can be most advantagously used.
Now...paking them there on port to avoid the allies from hitting the port is another matter. Sort of as "naval shields" and that would work. But the moment they start shooting, they become targets themselves and Russia will not want to be a part of the shooting unless things get a lot worse.
Never happen.
That would invite them to become military targets and they would be very, very restricted and at a huge disadvantage there in port.
I believe the Russians will let the allies know what their "line" is, and then should they have to respond, it will be from some position at sea where they can be most advantagously used.
Now...paking them there on port to avoid the allies from hitting the port is another matter. Sort of as "naval shields" and that would work. But the moment they start shooting, they become targets themselves and Russia will not want to be a part of the shooting unless things get a lot worse.