strategic value of having a fleet of tank/troop transport subs.

solarz

solarz

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I think the more important question is how big of a landing force could such a fleet realistically support and deploy? How much "pressure" would such a force really apply on the ROC military?

For example, what would be the purpose of sneaking a few tanks and a few hundred men onto the island? Without support, they would be quickly cut off and overwhelmed. What kind of objective would they be able to achieve?
 
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tidalwave said:
how wide is the GIUK gap? Is it as narrow as the Taiwan Strait (less 50 miles since it has to share with China side)? Bohai Strait is not an international shipping lane.

Let's say your SOSUS is 1 mile away from Taiwan island. Is that good enough estimate?
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Why only 50 miles? You do know that a SOSUS line can potentially pick up subs from THOUSANDS of miles away, do you not? A SOSUS array does not have to stray past the median line of the Strait to pick up sounds from across the whole strait. And yes, ALL of the choke points in the GIUK gap are similar in width to the Taiwan Strait; just look at a map. Also, Bohai Strait is not an international shipping lane??? Do you have any clue how much traffic goes through that Strait on a daily basis? Look at all the major coastal cities along the Bohai Sea whose only sea outlet is the Bohai Strait.

To be honest, I'm not sure why I'm even indulging in this outlandish fantasy of submarine-delivered troops. Not just the fact that they will easily be detected crossing the Strait is the fact that the cost-benefit ratio of this absurd troop transport method means that nobody in the PLAN with a sane head will be willing to fund it. You're not just talking about inserting special ops teams, you're talking about transporting "tanks" in a sub. LOL

I think Jackie says it best:

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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

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I totally agree. The cost benefit on this is all out of whack. An Amphibious Assault sub could never deliver the troops or meet the mission of an invasion. Best case would be special ops forces but a large scale invasion is total science fiction.
 
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solarz said:
I think the more important question is how big of a landing force could such a fleet realistically support and deploy? How much "pressure" would such a force really apply on the ROC military?

For example, what would be the purpose of sneaking a few tanks and a few hundred men onto the island? Without support, they would be quickly cut off and overwhelmed. What kind of objective would they be able to achieve?
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Without support?

The strait is only 100 miles, the SAM HQ9, S400 gonna knock out any adversary airfighters,

WS beidou guided long range rockets can suppress enemies fire power.

By that time,maybe there are already stealth bombers in action.

A fleet of tansport subs can field 100 tanks. Not a few .
 
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TerraN_EmpirE said:
I totally agree. The cost benefit on this is all out of whack. An Amphibious Assault sub could never deliver the troops or meet the mission of an invasion. Best case would be special ops forces but a large scale invasion is total science fiction.
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100 tanks 3000 troops can delivered in such a way in the initial wave and they go back the fetch the second load, third load.... You do the math. 2 days operation is enough to get the job done.
 
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Iron Man said:
Why only 50 miles? You do know that a SOSUS line can potentially pick up subs from THOUSANDS of miles away, do you not? A SOSUS array does not have to stray past the median line of the Strait to pick up sounds from across the whole strait. And yes, ALL of the choke points in the GIUK gap are similar in width to the Taiwan Strait; just look at a map. Also, Bohai Strait is not an international shipping lane??? Do you have any clue how much traffic goes through that Strait on a daily basis? Look at all the major coastal cities along the Bohai Sea whose only sea outlet is the Bohai Strait.
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No way man!

GIUK gap is referring to the opening between England and Iceland. That's 1000+ miles 10x larger than taiwan strait.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

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tidalwave said:
the initial wave and they go back the fetch the second load, third load.... You do the math. 2 days operation is enough to get the job done.
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That assumes optimum conditions. Once the fight is on You cannot assure such all it takes is one hunter killer to start messing with your numbers. and unloading places the boats in the open. A sub is stealthy on the move and under water. Once you surface your open.
. Additionally The math on that is based on Fighting vehicles Invasion needs more then just Fighting vehicles you need logistics and other assets assets that will have to be crammed in.
Finally the resources Project 740 was canceled as the Soviets who did a Cost benefit determined they needed the yards and materials for SSBN's and SSN's.
 
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tidalwave said:
No way man!

GIUK gap is referring to the opening between England and Iceland. That's 1000+ miles 10x larger than taiwan strait.
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Clearly you didn't actually bother to look at a map. Ask yourself what GIUK stands for and try again.
 
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