Stargate Vs. Star Trek

Here is a typical plot.

Main characters, because of some accident involving subatomic physics, turn invisible to their friends around them. Their friends consider them missing or dead. However, our heroes are still alive and need to get in touch with their friends somehow to find a way to return to the normal universe.

This is an example of a plot synopsis that appeared in both Star Trek and Stargate.

AssassinsMace said:

You think an alien culture would be exactly like the US?

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No, I don't. What they've done is called "convenience". But then again, what do you think the chances of having a non-earth, human race that developed machines which then rebelled and wiped out most of that race, are? And do you think they'd be speaking English? No, I guess the producers should have made an entire new language and had it shot in that.

If this version of BSG was all about being proud Americans, they wouldn't have the Iraq allegory where the humans are playing the insurgents/terrorists.

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Or it could be in relation to any other such operation - like maybe the start of the American War of Independence. But who said it was about being "proud Americans"? You did, not me.

You actually think when Hollywood makes futuristic vehicles, they're actually new designs?

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Geez, of course they don't invent an entire new vehicle, but what's the point of having an external mock-up or whatever and it looking ridiculous? Seriously, what would you have had them do?

And those new human looking Cylons are really a tremendous leap in technology and not just an excuse to save money.

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It's actually an interesting idea. Brings up questions about what it is to be human, etc. I quite like it - I wonder where it will go.

No, I don't. What they've done is called "convenience". But then again, what do you think the chances of having a non-earth, human race that developed machines which then rebelled and wiped out most of that race, are? And do you think they'd be speaking English? No, I guess the producers should have made an entire new language and had it shot in that.

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Have you seen the original? They were in worse shape for their budget than this series and they had different cultures and alien species. Being creative about culture only cost what it takes to pay the writer. And they don't need to pay extra for that. They can't pay for material to make cultural attire? All it takes is a little imagination and fabric. No tremendous leap there. Shouldn't they speak at least some Greek or Latin since their gods seem to follow Greek and Roman religions. Maybe they're from the Colonial planet called Hollywood where all the Romans and Greeks are played by the British.

Or it could be in relation to any other such operation - like maybe the start of the American War of Independence. But who said it was about being "proud Americans"? You did, not me.

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I'm sure you believe that. But everyone else who's a big fan, from industry people to fanboys, says it is a commentary on the Iraq War and the War on Terrorism. And it's probably why it won the Peabody Award. I guess they all got it wrong too.

Geez, of course they don't invent an entire new vehicle, but what's the point of having an external mock-up or whatever and it looking ridiculous? Seriously, what would you have had them do?

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Ever hear of CGI? And those guys in the shops in the back lots of the studios can make great mock-ups. I guess you think those Vipers in the hangar bay look ridiculous. :nana: :nutkick:

It's actually an interesting idea. Brings up questions about what it is to be human, etc. I quite like it - I wonder where it will go.

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I prefer the relentless machine. More drama in it. The human idea would've been great if it wasn't limited to 12 models. That way anyone could've been a Cylon.

AssassinsMace said:

Have you seen the original? They were in worse shape for their budget than this series and they had different cultures and alien species.

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They did have some aliens, but not that frequently. They had some green things in the pilot - after that it was generally humans from what I can remember.

Shouldn't they speak at least some Greek or Latin since their gods seem to follow Greek and Roman religions.

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Erm, did they in the original? No. So why on earth would they have tried to teach the cast to speak what would have been a new language for them?

I'm sure you believe that.

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I said it could have been something else. But if it is in relation to the Iraq war then fair enough. If there was a specific reason by using such a reference then doubtless it would have been easier to get it across by not removing American "cultural aspects", thus making it more likely the target audience would identify with the characters.

Ever hear of CGI?

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Yes, and if they'd tried to use it for a ground vehicle with actors it would have looked terrible. :nutkick:

I guess you think those Vipers in the hangar bay look ridiculous.

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No, because they're not CGI and they're from the original series in most respects. On the other hand the original series' "ground vehicle" wasn't to my liking at all. I think it was far better to use something readily available for an unimportant part of the show. If it was possible for them to come up with other designs as good as that which could be used for moving vehicles that would have been great. But to be honest I'm not sure it would have been worth the effort.

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree over this - it's not worth our time to argue over why a show is good/bad. If I wanted to have a long discussion I'd go to a Sci-Fi forum. By the way, sorry if I was a bit harsh on you in the first post.

Loved Trek for 23 years. it's going on it's 40th birth day

Loved Gate for over ten years... torn choose by leingth of love.

crobato said:

Here is a typical plot.

Main characters, because of some accident involving subatomic physics, turn invisible to their friends around them. Their friends consider them missing or dead. However, our heroes are still alive and need to get in touch with their friends somehow to find a way to return to the normal universe.

This is an example of a plot synopsis that appeared in both Star Trek and Stargate.

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here's another typical... the aliens com and attack earth, they find a secret powerful weapon todestory the aliens away, and now they will never come back since they fear of getting destoryed by this weapon....

SG1 is dying, I see hope in atlantis....

crobato said:

Here is a typical plot.

Main characters, because of some accident involving subatomic physics, turn invisible to their friends around them. Their friends consider them missing or dead. However, our heroes are still alive and need to get in touch with their friends somehow to find a way to return to the normal universe.

This is an example of a plot synopsis that appeared in both Star Trek and Stargate.

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If I remember correctly, it was also a plot point for an episode of The Outer Limits. Though naturaly, it ended a little less than satisfactory.

I'm not saying you are wrong or anything, just that in general, the Sci-Fi community sometimes lacks originality.

A pox for Showtime and MGM TV. For letting a crappy show like Stargate run for 10 seasons, but a top quality, platinum well rated show like Dead Like Me for only two?

Stargate SG-1 is over... 10 years... wow...

bd popeye said:

One last thing

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"TRANSFORMERS" a live action move will debut 7:4:07..I will see that one.

Transformers..robots in disguise...Yea I'm old...

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Ok well I am 20 years younger than you dude and I loved all those series.
The original Star trek (fantastic!) (new one crap!)
Babylon 5 (I am a sucker for big space battles!)
Stargate was ok but after the O-neal character left it wasn't the same
The original Battlestar Galactica was my childhood favourite. (I hate the new one)I loved the launch tubes with the vipers and the whole sphynx helmets and old civilisation themes. It's a shame Bryan Singer didn't get to make his version (sigh!)
Transformers!--robots in disguise I'll say no more! I was a little dubious until I saw the trailer for the new film.....I can't wait!