Star Wars & Sc-Fi Talk

Stargate Universe was a result of Syfy channel's Battlestar Galactica. They thought they could ride the wave thinking the audience would care about these uninteresting lives of the characters. Translation: They wanted to save money and hoped because they called it a sci-fi show and carrying on with previous Stargate franchises, people were going to watch. I watched the Talking Dead last night, a chat show that talks about the popular Walking Dead TV series as it runs new episodes. Musician Dave Navarro complained to the producer enough to seem angry that there weren't enough zombies and they were staying on this farm too long. The producer just wouldn't tell the truth and admit that it was because of money. Which is another reason why esteemed director and filmmaker, Frank Darabont, was kicked off the show he brought to TV because he didn't listen to network executives about cutting the budget.

Equation said:

C'mon man! Star Trek is smart, and Star Wars is cool for it's ships and space stations battling each other out. Stargate lose it when Richard Dean Anderson (Known as McGyver) character was no longer there. Now the show have this unknown ship with a crew who is away from our solar system therefore has to find a livable planet to survive. I mean the concept is cool, but the plot is a rip off from "Lost".

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I know, I said SG:U sucks.

Now SG-1 is still interesting even after O'Neil left because the other characters were interesting in their own right: chiefly Daniel Jackson, then Teal'C, and even Carter gets more interesting in the later seasons. The new guy, the O'Neil replacement, is so forgettable that I can't even remember his name. However, Vala is fun!

Then there's Stargate: Atlantis. I like it as much as SG-1 because the main cast also played well off of each other: Sheppard, McKay, and Ronon. Teyla, not so much. Dr. Weir was very interesting as well when she was on the show, I liked the romantic tension between her and Sheppard. Too bad they killed her off. (Well, not exactly, but I don't want to spoil anything.)

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AssassinsMace said:

Stargate Universe was a result of Syfy channel's Battlestar Galactica. They thought they could ride the wave thinking the audience would care about these uninteresting lives of the characters. Translation: They wanted to save money and hoped because they called it a sci-fi show and carrying on with previous Stargate franchises, people were going to watch.

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Yes, exactly! I watched about 3 episodes of SG:U, and when they started going into nightclubs and talking about relationships, I quit.

I watched the Talking Dead last night, a chat show that talks about the popular Walking Dead TV series as it runs new episodes. Musician Dave Navarro complained to the producer enough to seem angry that there weren't enough zombies and they were staying on this farm too long. The producer just wouldn't tell the truth and admit that it was because of money. Which is another reason why esteemed director and filmmaker, Frank Darabont, was kicked off the show he brought to TV because he didn't listen to network executives about cutting the budget.

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Really? I haven't watched season 2 yet, do they stay on a farm the entire season? This series has potential, it would suck if it got ruined due to budget issues.

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Bltizo said:

Star trek with their unitard uniforms never really resonated with me >_>

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Not to mention how they just talk talk talk all the time. On average, 30 min out of the 45-min episode is spent on pseudo-science babble and ridiculous ethical conundrums. It should be telling that my favorite Star Trek race is the Klingons.

solarz said:

Really? I haven't watched season 2 yet, do they stay on a farm the entire season? This series has potential, it would suck if it got ruined due to budget issues.

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So far... yes they're still on the farm. If you read the story of Darbont's exit from the show, season 2 was going to start with a flasback on the fall of Atlanta where we'd follow this soldier around during the chaos of Atlanta falling. Don't know how long that story was going to last but it would end up that soldier was the zombie in the M1 tank that Rick ended up in in the pilot episode. Sounds like it was going to cost a lot of money to which is a reason Darabont was pushed out from the show.

I loved and hated Star Wars in about equal measure.

On the one hand, Vader, light sabers, R2D2 and Death Stars, on the other hand, Ewoks (or however those ridiculous things are spelt), Ja-Ja-figging-Binks and toddlers pod racing...

That's what happens when writers and directors had kids - they sell out to try and please their little angels, just like all those god-awful kids movies Arnie did when his kids got old enough to want to know what he did, but not nearly old enough to watch the films he was good at making.

Now, I have a theory that if they took the kids away during the duration of the writing and filming and slapped a 12A minimum age rating, you'd have a set of far better films.

The problem is that kids is where the money is these days, with their whiney power to get their parents to cinemas, and all the toys and other merchandise you can sell to them etc.

To be fair, I think they realized that they went overboard with the kiddy bait with the PM, and it got a lot less ridiculous with the two films after that.

I liked the character development between the films, where you see how Anakin got corrupted and eventually became Vader, but it never quite got to being great because it was all so very predictable, and it lacked any sort of suspense and shock factor like the "I am your farther!" revelations of the original trilogy.

I know it's easier for us to see with hindsight of knowing what was to come and everything, but you still cannot help to be frustrated that the main characters cannot see what was happening coming a mile off and have serious doubts about their intelligence.

Personally, I would have much preferred that they worked with the fact that we already know how it was going to end, and worked up a bit of a mystery about how it could have gone so wrong, involving a plot that would have left us grudgingly clapping our hands and saying 'well played old Sith Emperor, well player sir!" instead of being left feeling frustrated at how clueless and stupid the main characters were to allow any of this to happen in the first place.

I think with todays CG technology they could make a non-animation version of Robotech and Gundam. They should, but with James Cameron or someone equal as director. I don't want it to out like Transformers with the over top cliche and over acting melo drama. Thanks for nothing Michael Bay for ruined my childhood toys!

Tobey Maguire had the rights to make a live-action version of Robotech. Sounds like it went nowhere because it's been a few years and nothing of it. That was around the time when his friend Leonardo DiCaprio got the rights to Akira to which he eventually dropped out and has passed through several hands since where it's in limbo right now.

I'm also waiting for the fifth Alien movie to come out. Supposedly it will be a prequel to the first Alien movie, about how that strange alien ship got to LV426 planet. Ridley Scott was the director to make it, he was the director for the 1st Alien movie. It still a classic and quite scary even today.

Equation said:

C'mon man! Star Trek is smart, and Star Wars is cool for it's ships and space stations battling each other out. Stargate lose it when Richard Dean Anderson (Known as McGyver) character was no longer there. Now the show have this unknown ship with a crew who is away from our solar system therefore has to find a livable planet to survive. I mean the concept is cool, but the plot is a rip off from "Lost".

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Star Trek was great! My favorite was Deep Space Nine and Next Generation. I never liked Voyager; everything on that series was a temporal rift.
However I must say that the best Science Fiction Show on Television was the second Battlestar Galactica. Great drama.

Miragedriver said:

Star Trek was great! My favorite was Deep Space Nine and Next Generation. I never liked Voyager; everything on that series was a temporal rift.
However I must say that the best Science Fiction Show on Television was the second Battlestar Galactica. Great drama.

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I agreed with you on the second Battlestar Galactica series. I'm waiting for the full series DVD set prices to go down to purchase it. If they ever make a live version of Robotech, I hope they pick Edward James Olmos as Captain Gloval (play as another captain, why not).

What? How could you NOT like Star Trek Voyager it's my favorite out of the three generation series. I like all the characters in the that show, Captain Janeway was sensible, smart, and never irrational, Commander Chakotay was stern but understanding, The hologram doctor was funny, Harry Kim the Asian dude, Tom Paris who has issues of his own but came back stronger, and Tuvoc is as Vulcan as one can get and last but not least 7 of 9. The only character there that annoys me is Neelix, other than that B'ellan Torres was a bit drammatic (being half Klingon is understandable).

Cards on the table: I love all the Star Wars movies, even with all their faults. Why? Lightsabers! Nuff said! Loads of other reasons too, but hey, Lightsabers!

Stargate: Watched them all from the start to finish. In all it's incarnations. Quality Sci Fi all the way. If you don't agree you've probably been spoiled for good sci fi on tv and are getting picky. I can still remember when tv sci fi shows involved characters in silver suits, immense quantities of technobabble and it was against the law to make a sci fi show without a 'cute kid who's a genius and a robot', Star Trek TNG being probably the last show afflicted by this until the law was repealed!

Loved Battlestar (RDM), the final episodes being probably tv sci fi's finest hours IMHO. If you don't agree, then let's take this outside. Be warned, I have a lightsaber!
BSG helped me realise one of the key ingredients of great SF shows for me, I love the fact that all the sweeping epic scenarios, spaceships, battles etc are just setting the scene for the moment when two really great actors come face to face in a scene, and say very little verbally but so much with their body language! Think all the scenes between Edward James Olmos as Adama and Mary McDonnell as Laura Roslin when they were so often on opposite sides of the argument, and yet there was an undeniable frisson between them (they did end up in bed together!). I only wish there had been some confrontational scenes between either Adam and/or Roslin and Dean Stockwell as Cavill (no.1).

Loved season 1 of the Walking Dead, still sticking with Season 2 even though I agree with previous posters that they have been spending a little too much time at the farm, and budget is the obvious reason. The show however is all about the characters so it still sparkles with great scenes between them, Shane being the most interesting at the moment as his character was killed off before this point in the original comic book and therefore he is more of an unknown quantity, and is displaying some worrying tendencies!

Being British, my all time favourite show is Dr Who, a show I have truely grown up with. Along with it's spinoffs, Torchwood and SJA (RIP Liz Sladen, you will always be my no 1 companion!) it really does follow it's own path and isn't just walking in the footsteps of other shows. Also I'm from Gallifrey originally myself so I have a personal connection!

ST:TNG started off being Gene Roddenberry's pure vision. Which is why it got better after others took over the running. Gene god bless him was a little too idealistic about humanity for my taste, he thought we would become angels by the 24th century, and that's not a good recipe for drama. DS9 was much better in that respect and much grittier. It also improved when B5 showed them how it should be done! Voyager started good, had a dodgy first season because they recycled rejected TNG scripts but soon bucked their ideas up. I've been watching re runs lately (up to season 4 and 5 at the momment) and it's getting better all the time. 7 of 9 in a skintight suit? Excuse me while I take another cold shower! She was a great character as well. The Holographic Doctor was a creation of comic genius. As fo the half Klingon Ms Torres, I'm sure I have dated at least one girl who was also half Klingon... I still have the bruises!