Star Wars & Sc-Fi Talk

Miragedriver

Brigadier
the Genesis device was developed to reformat a planet into a earth clone pure and simple. It would if deployed on a planet with life, Kill all of that life. Rip it to base atoms and then use it to create this earth clone with plant life and limited microbial life.
That's what Spock meant when he and doctor McCoy were in a debate.
McCoy:"My god... To think that we... Suppose this thing were used on a planet where life already existed?"
Spock:" It would destroy such life in favor of it's new matrix."
McCoy"Its new matrix? My god man have you any idea what your saying?"
Spock: "I was not attempting to debate its ethical implications, as a matter of cosmic history, its always been easier to destroy then to create."
McCoy: " Not any more! Now we can do both at the same time! According to Myth the Earth was created in six days, now Watch Out here comes Genesis! We'll do it for you in Six Minutes."
Spock:" really doctor you must learn to govern your passions. Logic suggests..."
McCoy:" My god the Man's talking about Logic, we're talk'en about Universal Armageddon! You green blooded Inhuman..."

(No I did not look that up or re watch the movie I pulled that from my own memory)
its likely that the mechanism at work in Genisis may have involved nanites as that is the only way I can think of to do what it did in such a manner.

imagine for a moment that we have the classic fan battle star wars vs trek with the reliant under Khan attacking the deathstar. Reliant makes a run and fires Genisis at the deathstar. So what happens? Well in our thought experiment the deathstar now undergoes a massive set of changes. The entire structure is ripped apart including droids and storm troops. The grey mass effect is taking place as nanotechnology goes to work using the existing matter to reproduce its self. The mass of the death star is increased as a artificial gravity well draws in more material increasing the mass to earth equivalent
the nanittes at the core of the structure now change into a mass of iron, nickle, a mantel of molten rock and radioactive elements, and the outer structure becomes a rockie crust. Now begins the next step. The forming mantle now expels a mix of gasses, hydrogen, oxygen, methane, carbon dioxide, argon, nitrogen, Ammonia, these gasses form a crude atmosphere. In this environment a simple form of preprogrammed long chain polymer is creates as single celled organism are created with a existing genetically engendered DNA sequence forming a advanced now organic slime like allege.
Hydrogen and oxygen are forced to fuse forming chains of one hydrogen to two oxygen, oceans of sweet water form. Other material is filtered and carbon is used to fuel the rapid development of genetically engineered plant life. Flora only. Fauna is not allowed at this point as any president would undergo massive changes and become either mutated or in the case of dead tissue resurrected. The flora follows preset molds, trees, flowers, grasses, ferns and the like. The nanittes now change forming micro organisms that help sustain the environment until fauna is added.

so what went wrong? Why is it that Genesis is not seen post star trek 3? Its unstable. The trek answer is something called "protomater" which is considered dangerous and unpredictable. The planet produced is going to continue having massive geological shifts and changes as it burns its self and breaks down the planets core is adding mass to itself increasing its heat and radioactivity until it reaches the point where its own mass sets it off like a huge atomic bomb.

The genesis device was a analogy for the use of radiation and atomic energy particularly nuclear weapons that seen in the early period of the twentieth century. Along side the bomb was seen a plethora of supposed new technologies that would have made life a virtual paradise until radiation's harmful effects were realized.

As a civil engineer I often wonder what the structural supports inside the death star are like. Where it produces its own gravity (due to its size) or is it artificial? In addition to many other questions.

Also remember that probably around 50% of the volume of the death star is empty space (that is containing just oxygen), so its solid mass would be substantially smaller than it actual size.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
As a civil engineer I often wonder what the structural supports inside the death star are like. Where it produces its own gravity (due to its size) or is it artificial? In addition to many other questions.

Also remember that probably around 50% of the volume of the death star is empty space (that is containing just oxygen), so its solid mass would be substantially smaller than it actual size.

in gas volume yes, but gasses are still matter, And energy is also matter. If you have the ability to reorganize matter at a atomic level.to suit your wants and could build a planet out of a nebula, I imagine turning a slightly used death star into the universe's newest real estate market is easy.
 

Miragedriver

Brigadier
in gas volume yes, but gasses are still matter, And energy is also matter. If you have the ability to reorganize matter at a atomic level.to suit your wants and could build a planet out of a nebula, I imagine turning a slightly used death star into the universe's newest real estate market is easy.

The Federation should use the Genesis device on the Borge Ship.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Star Trek is still too much of a utopian society. Star Wars is more dirty and gritty like real life.


Besides I’ll take a light saber over a phaser any day of the week. :D

Guys guys, the point is...


...Star Trek is still better. :p .

I take Seven of Nine over Princess Leia any day!:eek::p

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This is 7 of 9


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Princess Leia
 

chuck731

Banned Idiot
Star Trek is still too much of a utopian society. Star Wars is more dirty and gritty like real life.

A dirty and gritty real life in which everyone, as well as the tree and the rock, is a luminous being who just have to feel to have the force flow through him. Not over the top Utopian at all.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Yes, star trek has more and better girls, against that of what account is light sabers and the force?

Light sabers is nothing more than a really short range lazer flash light and the so called "force" is nothing more than a quasi religious zealot wannabe god.
 
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