Mysterre
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I'd like to think that it's a combination of dissatisfaction with the previous class(es) and rapid advancements in quieting technology.
Speculation and facts on future Chinese vessels
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I'd like to think that it's a combination of dissatisfaction with the previous class(es) and rapid advancements in quieting technology.
Is there any data on just how nosier the latest Chinese sub compare to the modern Western/Russian ones?
yeah. A report made in 2009 by the USN office of naval intelligence (ONI) and unintencionaly posted on the internet. Later removed but not before spreading in the net. It doesnt paint a good picture of china´s sub quietness. But some people in this forum dont believe it because it included type 095 in it, when the sub wasnt/isnt built yet. Most probably it was an assumption based on the performance of the type 093. This was supposed to be a classified document. More reliable than internet forums IMO.
JL-1 on Type 092 has too short a range to be useful deterrent. However, here is a thought -- put anti-ship ballistic missiles on it. After all, JL-1 is similar to DF-21 -- more precisely, DF-21 is developed based on JL-1.
Suppose PLAN deploy this with carrier task force to provide it with air cover and target identification and tracking?
Suppose PLAN deploy this with carrier task force to provide it with air cover and target identification and tracking?
Ok, that looks real bad, look like PLAN sub progress lack far behind their surface warships. I wonder why can't they make the same amount of progress they did with frigs and destroyers.
The major problem is with nuclear submarines. this is a very specialized technology that major powers guard zealously, and cant be advanced by dual-purpose civilian tech. Since china only started heavily spending in military in the last 20 years, it lacks far behind the other nuclear sub producing nations.
Lol, I'm pretty sure most of these US 'experts' get their 'intelligence' from blogs and forums.
These US 'experts' couldn't even predict the J-20.
How the hell do they know the quietness of Chinese submarines especially the ones not even built yet?
China is advancing faster than the US 'experts' think or want to believe.
These so called experts are living in denial, but over time they will realise how quick china is advancing.
All of these 'experts' are still stuck in the mentality of 'china can't do this and that'.
Can you prove it?
I need proof that china is 'lagging FAR behind other nations' in nuclear submarines.
Or did you just ASSUME that china is lagging FAR behind based on YOUR own assumptions.
Actually that oni report has been largely disregarded by us for a few reasons apart from just 095's "projected" quietness.
They basically reused that graph made from a mid 90s report on the PLAN.
They also got common facts wrong such as YJ-62's range, so they really didn't seem to put much effort into that report.
Ok that's BS.
The soviets substantially improved the quietness of their subs during the cold war by importing japanese civilian precise milling equipment. Now I'm not saying simply precisely milling a propeller is the end all to submarine quietness, but improvements in the civilian technology industry will inevitably benefit the military industrial complex as well and this includes nuclear submarines.
And throwing words around like "very specialized technology" doesn't really help your cause. We can apply your argument to VLO as well, it is also "specialized technology" which "cant be advanced by dual purpose civilian tech" (I dispute this -- advances in civilian industry will also bring advances in this area) -- yet china is clearly not very stagnant in VLO.
as of this point we still do not know how good 091G, 093 really are. Some say 093 have 688 SSN levels of quietness, others say they're even less than victor III.
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
Who says that? Some random fanboys? If the 093 had 688 levels of quietness the PLAN would have mass-produced that instead of rapidly moving on to the 095.