well, this was not posted by hsh, but another member. I don't know if everyone here is as knowledgeable toward the Chinese military bbs as you are.
Speculation and facts on future Chinese vessels
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well, this was not posted by hsh, but another member. I don't know if everyone here is as knowledgeable toward the Chinese military bbs as you are.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Don't know about the whole list but I think we can assume a LHD is under development as is a indigenous carrier
We already seen Type 052D and new frigate will show up soon enough
Future speculation on a larger DDG or 10,000 CG is also believable
Talk about a Type 052E and LSD/LPD or whatever is bit far fetched at this point
We already seen Type 052D and new frigate will show up soon enough
Future speculation on a larger DDG or 10,000 CG is also believable
Talk about a Type 052E and LSD/LPD or whatever is bit far fetched at this point
Well going by the chart (as dubious as it is) the first 075 will be finished constructing by end of 2014. They'll need a year or two to iron out the kinks. By 2015, 2016 it isn't implausible the PLA should have a decent number of helicopters to embark aboard a LHD.
Why would an LPD be far fetched? They've only produced 3 071s you would expect them to produce a few more.
But I too am slightly surprised they would continue production on what would supposedly be a development continuing from 052D... But I suppose they need to continue producing something in the 8000 ton class to replace continuing aging DDGs while 055 I believe may be an entirely new hierarchy in the fleet.
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I hope no western "analyst" who reads this forum takes this thread seriously. Seeing this kind of prediction and taking it seriously would make them freak.
It's nice, I always thought the three fleets together should end up having 6 LPDs and 3 LHDs collectively, which would act as a good "critical mass" for the PLAN's expected missions from medium to long term.
The carrier production prediction is also somewhat similar to what we'd expect, that we'd have the first two conventional carriers buitl from now up to 2020, and a nuclear carrier starting construction sometime around 2020.
The presence of so many 055s building is a nice surprise, but considering a 10k ton vessel isn't that much bigger than 8k ton, 8+ 055s from built from 2014 to 2020 isn't beyond belief. Surely it won't only be JNCX building the 055s and 052D/Es, though?
054B's construction from 2013 is also interesting, and not unexpected.
The large numbers of 095s does somewhat deviate from 093's "four batch a class" which many expected to be followed for 095 as well. If they build so many PLAN must really be satisfied with its performance.
Either way, this decade will be an interesting one to watch, and I suspect will make the PLAN's ship construction in the 2000s look laughable (regardless of how accurate this chart is)
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
No I meant that because it says something about 2 types of LPD both called Type 071 or something like that I don't think I read it properly
There is no doubts that LPD construction will continue
Also sometimes the larger 10,000 ton DDG is called Type 055 or Type 058? Whichever one it is doesn't matter but what does matter is that it is under developments which I think it's is, after all although Ticos are going Zumwalt is coming in bigger and Areigh Burke is getting heavier
When escorting carriers at 30 knots through storms and high sea states the roll and pitch at larger tonnage makes escorting much more possible, Arleigh Burke is second to none at these types of escorts that's why i believe a larger much more powerful Chinese DDG is likely
If China has
2-3 x FFG flotillas per each fleet ( 2 x Type 054A and 1 x Type 054B)
2 x DDG floitllas per each fleet (1 x Type 052C and 1 x Type 052D)
1 x CG floitlla per each fleet ( consisting of 4 x 10,000 ton vessels)
1 x flotilla of landing docks (3x LPD and 1 x LHD)
1 x aircraft carrier
That would give almost 30 surface combatants per fleet
8-12 X FFG
8 X DDG
4 X CG
4 x LPD/LHD
1 x carriers
Geographer
Junior Member
Can someone translate the labels on that budget?
Edit: having reviewed the meaning of Capital Ship, my use of the term in the translation was incorrect. The literal meaning of the term in Chinese that I was translating was "Main Battle Ship" (in the same literary vein as "Main Battle Tank"). In place of Capital Ship, the translation should read instead: "Major Combat Vessel"
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Thanks Chinaguy the table is now interesting to look at!
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The only thing you really need to know is that the yellow rows represent the amount of money spent in a year for a particular ship, while the blue rows represent the fraction completed for a particular ship.
Take CV003 for example in the second pic, the first entry in the yellow column is under 2018, and is 430.0. That means 430.0 million yuan will be spent on CV003 in 2018. The first entry in the blue column is also under 2018, and is 0.125, that means 12.5% of CV003 will be completed in 2018. Now, that 12.5% can be 12.5% of one ship, or 10% on one ship, and 2.5% on a second ship, the chart doesn't specify.