South East Asia Military News, Reports, Data, etc.

paintgun

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Gowind is a very modern platform, it will be interesting to see and follow the program development and the ships' complement
 

i.e.

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I remembered in 1990s Deng Invited Lee KuangYew to invest in a big industrial park in Suzhou. basically the 1/4 size of Singapore.
needless to say Lee screw that one up bad... he could have based his entire military there :)

Now it seems He made a calculation and thrown his lot with more security arrangement with US.
I don't blame him for that decision. He is prob calculating that china is still not strong enough to act as security garantor.
 
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DBR01

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A division of H6G with ALCMs would easily render whatever airbases in singapore useless on the opening hour.

In this age defence in depth means more a nd more as the fire power brought by the first minute means more and more to the outcome of the war.
geographically smaller countries are high disadvantaged in this regard.

Singapore knows that that's why they try to rotate part of their forces outside their city state. they would assume whatever forces they have in the city-state at the moment would put up a good fight and but will get swamped. the forces that are outside of the country would act as coalitions to their security alliance (US, under auspise of UN) to recover their country.
The better the fight the on-hand forces putup before they get swamped; the Better the forces that escape the destruction; more political capital they would have in the eventual recovery of the city state from invaders.

Look for Singapore to base more of their forces outside of their country in the future.
Unless the ALCMs are nuclear..

Singapore airbases are hardened, with alternate runaways and defended by Spyder and I-Hawk SAMs.
In addition, the F-15SG with AESA would likely have anti-cruise missile capabilty
 

i.e.

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don't the H-6s need to slip through aerial, ground and naval based EW first, or intelligence and surveillance

1000 km stand off from Singapore in SCS? does Singapore by itself have enough asset to cover the launch area?

btw, Chinese H-6 Divisions are tasked with a fascinating mission profile... penetrating defences in Western Japan and launch Stand off conventional munitions (before it was tossing nukes) against bases in Japan.
 

i.e.

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Unless the ALCMs are nuclear..

Singapore airbases are hardened, with alternate runaways and defended by Spyder and I-Hawk SAMs.
In addition, the F-15SG with AESA would likely have anti-cruise missile capabilty

as hardened as bases in TW? where their runways are dug into mountains?
as well defended as those in Japan?

how many Amaramas does 1 F-15SGs carry? 4?
if they can throw up 2 flights of 4 up and assume they can hit everything they aimed at.
got anything for wave 2?
 

i.e.

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I also have the problem with (the pure fantasy) scenario of attacking into Malaysia on the opening salvo.
the singaporean military simply don't have enough forces to do it.

Malaysia could just invest in some 100 km WS-2s rocket artillery and they would be in a world of hurt.
 

i.e.

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This is merely to take the advantage of the vast training ground US provides, for Singapore has next to no room for defense in depth.

And this is what everyone knows but nobody would say it out loud officially: adopting the doctrine not unlike the Israeli (back in highschool I once did posed such question during a Q&A session, and I clearly remember that I got the PR officer rather stumped right there), Singapore planned its conventional warfare scenario against Indonesia and Malaysia. While Indonesia is a simpler foe to deal with - inferior navy and airforce that already stretched to protect its vast holdings, Malaysia is a major issue because Singapore is well within artillery striking reach across the Strait of Johor, thus when the crap hits the fan Singapore will hit first, create the necessary depth in defense at Johor, hold out at least a week till US effectively intervene.

Ultimately, Singapore's defense is to make the invaders pay heavily for their risk taking, while not getting their money and blood worth - what makes Singapore valuable are the high-tech industries facilities and the major oil refineries (one of the very few in the world with capability to process Venezuela crude oil), and those most will probably be damaged/lost/render invalid during fighting.

That hold true with the kind of politicians ran those countries over the years, lesser so in these days but still, there's ongoing arms race in the region and Singapore so far managed to stay ahead with the best toys and well-trained regulars in the region; but the future would lean more towards counter-terrorism, as both Malaysia and Indonesia have active AQ cells.

If I were in charge in Singapore.
I would look to play with both China and US.
They shouldn't put all of their chips in one spot.

If this world would go nuts one day.
US may tied up somewhere else.
but you can prob move the 1/2 population of Singapore onto Hainan. and other 1/2 into that industrial park in Suzhou.

what's valuable is your population and your organization.

China may suck, but they are in the end the only ones with the depth.
 

DBR01

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F-15SG can carry 8 Amraams, if Im not mistaken. So 2 flights of 4 could potentially have 64 Amraams.

Second wave would be dealt with by their SAM systems.

Any survivors would have to damage probably the most hardened airbases in SEA with multiple runaways.

So how many ALCMs are fired again?

Malaysia doesnt have WS-2s, but we have Brazillian Astros-2 with 80km range. And yes..it is also a fantasy of some Malaysians to lob these at Singapore:eek:

But, knowing the Singaporeans, I suspect they are pretty well prepared for such (very unlikely) senario.
 

paintgun

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1000 km stand off from Singapore in SCS? does Singapore by itself have enough asset to cover the launch area?

btw, Chinese H-6 Divisions are tasked with a fascinating mission profile... penetrating defences in Western Japan and launch Stand off conventional munitions (before it was tossing nukes) against bases in Japan.

i will put some faith on the RSAF, or at least a surprise attack is needed, H-6s are not exactly emission friendly (or is it?) and SCS is a different theater from near East Sea environment with friendly supports available immediately

they will also coordinate and share info/intel with the US if such a scenario is to happen

If I were in charge in Singapore.
I would look to play with both China and US.
They shouldn't put all of their chips in one spot.

i think they already do

and yes Singapore has almost zero depth, so little that they have to build it
 
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