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MwRYum

MwRYum

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Re: ASEAN military news

advill said:
The research by "paint gun" on the Philippines & the Singapore Air Forces appears reliable. Although MwRYum had made a few factual comments, regretfully most of his other comments regarding Singapore's warfare scenarios etc. with its neighbours are outdated (as quoted from his high school days). Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore are members of ASEAN with good political cooperation among themselves and with the 7 other ASEAN countries. Agreed, there bound to be occassional hicups among neighbouring countries same as with China & India, US & Mexico etc. etc. It should be noted that there is close cooperation among the Police Forces of Indonesia, Malaysia & Singapore in anti-terrorist operations; and ships of their 3 Navies are deployed on on anti-piracy patrols in the Singapore Straits and Straits of Malacca. Both Malaysia and Singapore are also members of the Five Power Defence Arrangement (FPDA established in 1971) together with Australia, NZ and UK. Their FPDA military forces have held regular exercises. Singapore has good relations with all friendly countries including China, US the EU, and like all sensible & pragmatic countries, it has a fairly strong Military Force, majority of whom are National Servicemen. BTW, if a country has surplus cash it can purchase or develop the latest weaponry like China, Japan and S Korea are doing; and if some country like the US wants to "give" or sell on special terms to the Philippines, or like China to the Pakistan Military/Navy, it's unrealistic to expect the receipient countries not to accept such military assistance. As for the Arms Race in Asia, the debate will continue as who is responsible - this would depend on one's analysis and political alignment & FYI I am an independent commentator & the comments I wrote are mine & not those of the SAF. Merry Christmas and A Happy & Peaceful New Year to all.
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Just don't let the facade fools you, ASEAN as a regional political alliance is a loose one at best, every member state have one form of heated dispute with its neighbour states + fellow ASEAN member, those joint police actions were hard-won result of long political bickering. FPDA was possible because there's US leading the pack, whom essentially took over the vacuum after the decline of the British Empire.

However, we should also acknowledge that the leadership in both Malaysia and Indonesia are now by folks with heavier lean on pragmatism than low-level nationalistic fear mongers...unless you were too young to remember the days when it comes to election year in Malaysia, there's always saliva spat across the Strait of Johor to Singapore, and the hottest times were during 1998-1999, while Singapore never officially announced it, the armed forces was on full alert and only step down the alert level after their election fever faded.
 
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Red___Sword

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Haha, interesting facts telling there, both of you.

Really, there is no shame to describe a sovereignty nation's defence policy (be it fancy diplomatic words or open secrets of teeth), defence policy bond to have a plan on "shit hit the fan" things.

Singapore have long have had a very real (potential) threat, that is when the northern water supplier turns off the water pipe. Singapore more than one occurance, expressed the concern and "means to address the concern" of - turn off the water pipe endangers my existance, I would force open the very water pipe way. - so let's settle what ever disagreement at table, nice and easy, with nice words and nice terms, before we both hurt ourselves.

Look, I have no problem for Singapore to spend certain amount of GDP on the defence budget to stay ahead of things - even things are in good shape! Like many being discussed at SCS threads, the Malacca chock way is one thing China least wish "shit hit fan" happens (so dose USA, no matter how small amount shipments bound to US rather than China).
 
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advill

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The civilised way of settling problems is to discuss and negotiate rather than be involved in conflicts, and that I believe is the ASEAN way. I hope I am not wrong, but I think it is the same for problems between China and Taiwan, India and China, Russia and NATO etc. etc. The use of threats would go nowhere these days, and I am certain most political leaders (if not influenced/controlled by hawkish military leaders) would realise and acknowledge this. I cannot comprehend the "Malacca chock way", as there is definitely a freedom of passage through the Straits by merchant and naval warships of all countries. Both Indonesia and Malaysia are responsible for its security (and no one else), as the Malacca Straits is legally within their territorial waters (as recognised by UNCLOS). Besides merchant vessels, the USN, IN, PLA-N, RAN etc. use this sea passage way. There is no reason to be suspicious as there are no cause or incidents to support such imagined "choking" scenarios. Likewise, I doubt commercial shippers and Navies of all nations would doubt China's sincerity of "free passage" through its legally approved territorial waters. Unless proven with actual belligerant happenings, devious thoughts are unhealthy & could cause unecessary problems. Let there be Peace at Sea and on Earth for everyone!!
 
MwRYum

MwRYum

Major
Re: ASEAN military news

advill said:
The civilised way of settling problems is to discuss and negotiate rather than be involved in conflicts, and that I believe is the ASEAN way. I hope I am not wrong, but I think it is the same for problems between China and Taiwan, India and China, Russia and NATO etc. etc. The use of threats would go nowhere these days, and I am certain most political leaders (if not influenced/controlled by hawkish military leaders) would realise and acknowledge this. I cannot comprehend the "Malacca chock way", as there is definitely a freedom of passage through the Straits by merchant and naval warships of all countries. Both Indonesia and Malaysia are responsible for its security (and no one else), as the Malacca Straits is legally within their territorial waters (as recognised by UNCLOS). Besides merchant vessels, the USN, IN, PLA-N, RAN etc. use this sea passage way. There is no reason to be suspicious as there are no cause or incidents to support such imagined "choking" scenarios. Likewise, I doubt commercial shippers and Navies of all nations would doubt China's sincerity of "free passage" through its legally approved territorial waters. Unless proven with actual belligerant happenings, devious thoughts are unhealthy & could cause unecessary problems. Let there be Peace at Sea and on Earth for everyone!!
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You do remember that this year Thailand and Cambodia, both ASEAN members, went into a short shooting war over a temple, and Thailand refused ASEAN mediation outright, no?
 
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paintgun

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KingLouis said:
I wonder how Singapore can defend it self? This picture of the mountains seen they must deploy far away.
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i think Singapore alone can repel a Chinese Varyag class based CBG easily or provide ample deterrence for that kind of threat level

and they are the king of the hill in the region
 
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DBR01

New Member
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Hello,

Malaysian navy has recently ordered 6 corvettes/light frigates. Its widely believed that these vessels will be a derivative of the French's Gowind "Multimission Combatant" design and will be constructed locally.
 
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i.e.

Senior Member
Re: ASEAN military news

paintgun said:
i think Singapore alone can repel a Chinese Varyag class based CBG easily or provide ample deterrence for that kind of threat level

and they are the king of the hill in the region
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A division of H6G with ALCMs would easily render whatever airbases in singapore useless on the opening hour.

In this age defence in depth means more a nd more as the fire power brought by the first minute means more and more to the outcome of the war.
geographically smaller countries are high disadvantaged in this regard.

Singapore knows that that's why they try to rotate part of their forces outside their city state. they would assume whatever forces they have in the city-state at the moment would put up a good fight and but will get swamped. the forces that are outside of the country would act as coalitions to their security alliance (US, under auspise of UN) to recover their country.
The better the fight the on-hand forces putup before they get swamped; the Better the forces that escape the destruction; more political capital they would have in the eventual recovery of the city state from invaders.

Look for Singapore to base more of their forces outside of their country in the future.
 
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paintgun

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don't the H-6s need to slip through aerial, ground and naval based EW first, or intelligence and surveillance

i agree with the rest of your comment i.e
it's fascinating how Singapore is vastly different in depth of planning and operation effectiveness, the small dictating the large
 
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