South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)
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SamuraiBlue
Captain
This is the result from the PRC's move into the region.
Don't tell me that nature is going to revive in another decade or two because coral can only grow about once to two centimeter a year.
Don't tell me that nature is going to revive in another decade or two because coral can only grow about once to two centimeter a year.
Are you going to pretend that other SEA countries have been any more considerate to the environment in their pursuit in the name of national interest? Are you going to pretend that despite all the international spot light on China's pollution that it is not worse in in Indonesia/Philippines/Vietnam?
Do you really want to play the concerned environmentalist card behind thinly veiled racism against fellow Asians when Japan is busy butchering whales by the hundreds every years?
Don't go there.
Equation
Lieutenant General
Hmmm...at least the are is free of Japanese boats hunting and killing dolphins and whales for "research."
joshuatree
Captain
I do think they could do things better by not encouraging poachers having free reign. However, these waters have now become highly politicized so environmentalism takes a back seat, this goes with any nation. The politicization of these waters is not just the result of the PRC but the direct claimants themselves since they started to get more aggressive with "enforcement" of fishing in those waters to demonstrate "sovereignty". Instead of concurrently trying to work and establish some sort of civilian fishing agreement/mechanism on the side that does not touch the issue of sovereignty disputes, other claimants only focused on the shame/blame game and negative criticism never works for anyone.
Others already highlighted some of the environmental hypocrisies such as Japan's insistence on resuming their "scientific" whale hunts, but I like to ask if the environmental status of the SCS is so important, why aren't countries such as Japan trying to use its clout to mediate between all the claimants on some sort of fishing agreement to manage the resources with no prejudice to the claims themselves? That's a golden opportunity for Japan to play a positive role in world affairs.
Probably because Japan have their own issues with Chinese red coral poachers on their own waters. They patrol, arrest some from time to time but there are too many of them. The story is the same with South Korea. It's even worse for Koreans than anyone else at the moment I suppose. Stories about illegal Chinese fishermen arrested rock South Korean news almost every week. The Koreans are even starting to call them 'public enemies'
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This has to do with overfishing, an industrial, economic, and environmental problem that many developing countries and many fishing industries are struggling with. Don't pretend as if there is only a problem with the PRC or only the Chinese fishing industry or only Chinese poachers.
joshuatree
Captain
If the situation is that dire, then it's actually even more reason why Japan should establish a civilian fishing agreement/mechanism with China first and then mediate such in the SCS.
As for fishing issues with South Korea, there's more than what you post. Evidence that civilian agreements are constructive and producing results.
In fact, another recent episode about a SK navy ship firing warning shots on a Chinese patrol boat was revealed by the SK military that the Chinese patrol boat was following and monitoring Chinese poachers crossing the NLL. The NLL itself is yet another disputed issue but the point not to be missed is that the Chinese are stepping up monitoring poachers in agreements established with SK.
You want to say the Japanese whaling argument has nothing to do with the problem but yet you started bringing in ECS and Yellow Sea issues. How does that fly? No, the Japanese whaling issue is relevant since the current thread was started on the issue of environmentalism. That means those that want to accuse needs to be held to the same standard. And my opening statement in my previous reply already established that I would prefer the Chinese to reign in poaching in the SCS so how does that not quantify as acknowledgement?
Whether it was or not, I'm sure the Chinese will be assuming as if it wasn't, to be on the safe side.
Still, I've always felt that it didn't matter if the US or anyone overfly the islands or sail within 12nmi. Chinese Navy ATC will continue to request them to fly away on the grounds of preventing miscalculation, and the US or anyone else will continue maintaining it is their right within international law to fly there, so on and so forth... both sides will make noise, but China won't mind too much so long as its activities on the reclaimed islands themselves cannot be physically disrupted.
The only danger of these kind of overflights and patrols, is that the more they occur, the more it might drive the Chinese to militarize the islands to a greater extent than they would have originally intended, which in turn may cause the US to increase its military presence in the area, and so on and so forth.