South China Sea Strategies for other nations (Not China)

AndrewS

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The other big difference is that the South China Sea bases are only 1000km from the Chinese mainland.

So Flankers based on mainland China have the unrefueled range to fly to those bases and back. But they can also do a brief stopover and fill up their fuel tanks for a full patrol.

The vast distances in the Pacific Ocean meant that even groups of island bases were completely isolated from outside support - which is most definitely not the case in the SCS.

So even if the islands are completely destroyed, China should always be able to ship in food, water, concrete, fuel and engineers (eg. via the fishing boat fleet).

That is pretty much all that is needed to operate as an advance base to extend China's power projection capabilities from the mainland.
 
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confusion

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The Philippines claims that Taiwan can't submit documents to the arbitration committee because it's not a 'party involved in the arbitration case', despite 1. naming Itu Aba in its arbitration case and asking the arbitration committee to rule against Itu Aba's status as an island (which is controlled by Taiwan) and 2. accepting documents independently submitted by Vietnam.

The arbitration case actually hinges on the ruling on Itu Aba - if the PCA doesn't rule against Itu Aba's status as an island, then the Philippines will have lost the most important part of their case. This move by the Philippines tells me that they know their arguments against Itu Aba are weak and unlikely to convince the arbitration committee.

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By Joseph Yeh ,The China Post
May 14, 2016, 12:13 am TWN

TAIPEI, Taiwan -- The Philippine government has officially rejected President Ma Ying-jeou's invitation to send representatives to a Taiwan-controlled island in the South China Sea, the Taiwan government announced on Friday.
In a statement, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MOFA) said the Taiwan government has extended an invitation to the Philippine side several times, asking the Philippines to send representatives or lawyers to visit Taiping Island in the disputed South China Sea to obtain accurate information about the island.

The invitation was sent in the hope that representatives from the Philippines could personally visit the island amid Manila's false claim that Taiping is a "rock," not an "island," MOFA said.

However, MOFA said the Philippine side has recently extended an official reply to the R.O.C. to decline the invitation to Taiping.

Meanwhile, MOFA said it has extended an invitation to five arbitrators from the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague to visit Taiping.

But so far, the court of arbitration has not yet responded to the invitation, MOFA added.

Stressing that "seeing is believing," MOFA again called on the court and the Philippines to visit Taiping to see for themselves that it is a bona fide island with fresh water that can grow crops, raise livestock and support human habitation before the court releases the ruling.

Facing China's claim in the South China Sea, the Philippines submitted a case to the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague last year arguing that Taiping is a rock and not an island, and that it therefore should not have any maritime entitlements beyond 12 nautical miles.

  Because of Manila's move, the Taiwan government has launched a series of responsive measures over the past few months to assert the R.O.C.'s claim that Taiping is an island.

Ma also personally visited the island in January, a trip that U.S. representatives criticized at the time as being "unhelpful" in resolving disputes in the region.

Won't Accept Ruling: Taiwan

According to MOFA's Friday statement, amid Taiwan's ongoing move to assert Taiping Island's legal status as an island, the Philippine side recently asked the Permanent Court of Arbitration to "disregard" the evidence presented by the R.O.C. that proves Taiping is an island, arguing that Taiwan is not a party involved in the arbitration case.

MOFA reiterates that Taiping Island can sustain human habitation and economic life of its own, and meets the criteria for an island as defined in Article 121 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

If the court decides not to send arbitrators to Taiping and ultimately hands down a ruling that jeopardizes the R.O.C.'s claims to the island, Taiwan will not recognize or accept the ruling, MOFA added.
 

solarz

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The Philippines claims that Taiwan can't submit documents to the arbitration committee because it's not a 'party involved in the arbitration case', despite 1. naming Itu Aba in its arbitration case and asking the arbitration committee to rule against Itu Aba's status as an island (which is controlled by Taiwan) and 2. accepting documents independently submitted by Vietnam.

The arbitration case actually hinges on the ruling on Itu Aba - if the PCA doesn't rule against Itu Aba's status as an island, then the Philippines will have lost the most important part of their case. This move by the Philippines tells me that they know their arguments against Itu Aba are weak and unlikely to convince the arbitration committee.

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The Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) is an
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based in the
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, the
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. It is not a court, does not have permanent judges, and should not be confused with the
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, a separate institution also in the Peace Palace. The PCA is a permanent bureaucracy that assists temporary tribunals to resolve disputes among states (and similar entities), intergovernmental organizations, or even private parties arising out of international agreements. The cases span a range of legal issues involving territorial and
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, international investment, and international and regional trade.

The court was established in 1899 by the first
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. The Peace Palace was built for the Court in 1913 with funds from American steel magnate
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. Since 1922, the building has also housed the separate
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, which was replaced by the International Court of Justice in 1946.

So basically, nobody gives a toss about this colonial relic of a bureaucracy that masquerades as a court of law.
 

ahojunk

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Vietnamese reclamation at Spratly Island, which is not really reported in western media.

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On May 29, 2014, the island is 40.11 acres of which 4.74 is reclaimed land.

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Fast forward to January 3, 2016, Spratly Island is now 72.56 acres of which 37.19 acres are reclaimed land. The reclaimed land is bigger than the original island.
 

joshuatree

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Vietnam isn't trying to claim the entire South China Sea as it's own.

Although I could never find Vietnam's official claim, I've seen media pieces indicating Vietnam's claim line to be covering the bulk of the SCS too.

Under what UNCLOS provision does Vietnam occupy and reclaim Cornwallis South Reef, 350 NM southeast of Vietnam and completely submerged under high tide? Or occupying another submerged reef, Allison Reef, 6 NM to the northwest of CSR? By Vietnam's own joint submission with Malaysia to the UN in 2009, Vietnam's continental shelf claim ends 33 NM northwest of CSR.
 

confusion

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As part of the reclamation project at Southwest Cay, it appears that Vietnam has just finished building this new clinic, which they apparently started building in August 2015.
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Updated : 05/15/2016 11:35 GMT + 7

A well-equipped clinic, built on monetary contributions by workers across Vietnam, has been inaugurated on Song Tu Tay Island, part of the country’s Truong Sa (Spratly) archipelago in the East Vietnam Sea.

The inauguration ceremony of the Song Tu Tay Clinic on the island, off the south-central province of Khanh Hoa, was organized on Saturday with the participation of delegates from the High Command of the Vietnam People's Navy and the Vietnam General Confederation of Labor.

The facility has two floors and examination rooms in internal medicine and surgical theaters.

The infirmary, the construction of which began in August 2015, was built at a cost of over VND28 billion (US$1.24 million), donated by members of labor unions, workers and laborers throughout the country.

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Delegates are seen performing the ribbon-cutting ritual during the inauguration ceremony of the Song Tu Tay Clinic on May 14, 2016. Photo: Tuoi Tre

The new hospital, developed by the High Command of the Vietnam People's Navy and sponsored by the Vietnam General Confederation of Labor, is expected to meet the demand for proper medical examinations and treatment of soldiers, residents and fishermen in the Truong Sa and Hoang Sa (Paracel) archipelagoes.

Hoang Sa is administered by the central Vietnamese city of Da Nang.

Upon the inauguration, the Ministry of Health will supply the entire medical equipment to the clinic, which has received an ultrasonic device, worth over VND1 billion ($44,324), and a VND100-million ($4,432) karaoke set from the labor unions of the health and banking sectors, respectively.

“Hopefully the clinic will be run effectively to provide proper health care for soldiers and fishermen operating in the two fishing grounds and bolster their resolve in safeguarding the country’s sovereignty over the archipelagoes,” Dang Ngoc Tung, former chair of the Vietnam General Confederation of Labor, said.
 

confusion

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As I mentioned earlier, it's a good move for the Philippines to use the Chinese-Japanese rivalry to maximize economic assistance, and apparently he does this right off the bat:
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Philippines' president-elect Rodrigo Duterte said Sunday (May 15) he wanted friendly relations with China and confirmed he was open to direct talks over a territorial row that has badly damaged bilateral ties.

Duterte also announced that China's ambassador to Manila would be among the first three foreign envoys he planned to meet on Monday, after winning the May 9 presidential election in a landslide.
Duterte, who will be sworn into office on June 30, said he planned to continue raising the issue in multilateral environments.

But he also repeated a campaign pledge to hold direct talks with China, if other negotiations failed.

"If the ship of negotiation is in still waters and there's no wind to push the sail, I might just decide to talk bilaterally with China," Duterte said.

Duterte, the longtime mayor of Davao, also said he would meet with the ambassadors of China, Japan and one other, in his hometown on Monday - his first day of public appearances since winning the election.

It was unclear who the third ambassador would be, but Duterte did say no meeting had been scheduled with the US envoy.

The third envoy is later confirmed to be from Israel:
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Duterte is set to make his first public appearance after the elections on Monday afternoon. He is set to meet with the ambassadors of China, Israel, and Japan.

Why is the US missing? Well, Duterte apparently has a history of unpleasant interactions with the US:
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For more than a decade, a mysterious explosion at the Evergreen Hotel in Davao City has been a footnote in the long, checkered history between the Philippines and the United States. But among those who never let it go was the city’s mayor, Rodrigo Duterte — who is now poised to become the Philippines’ new president.

In an interview last year before he announced his candidacy, Duterte went so far as to acknowledge “hatred” for the United States stemming from the obscure episode, when an American named Michael Terrence Meiring was charged with possession of explosives but managed to flee the Philippines.

Meiring called himself a treasure hunter and joked about being with the CIA, meaning “Christ in Action.” He told the hotel staff not to touch a metal box in his room, apparently with good reason. On May 16, 2002, the box exploded, mangling his legs and damaging the hotel.

But three days later, despite severe injuries and the charges against him, Meiring vanished from his hospital room. Philippine officials later said that men waving FBI badges had taken him in the dark of night and flown him out of the country without their permission.

Duterte expressed outrage that the United States would help a criminal suspect leave the country without regard to Philippine law. He also fanned speculation that Meiring was involved in covert operations conducted by the United States in the Philippines.

Fourteen years later and scheduled to be sworn in as president on June 30, Duterte is still angry.

Last month, he threatened to cut ties with Washington in response to critical comments from the US ambassador to the Philippines, Philip Goldberg. “Go ahead and sever it,” Duterte snapped, referring to diplomatic relations. His spokesman, Peter Laviña, explained that Duterte’s hostility originated with the Meiring case.

“Mayor Duterte has his own personal experience in Davao,” Laviña said in a television interview. “We were able to capture a bomber, a suspect in the bombing in Davao. He was an American. He was spirited away by the US embassy. I think that’s when the bad relations started.”

The Philippines has long been the United States’ closest ally in Southeast Asia. The two nations have a mutual defense pact, and the Philippines recently agreed to allow the Pentagon to station troops and weapons at bases in the country. For more than a decade, US forces have also trained and advised Philippine soldiers hunting the Abu Sayyaf, a gang of rebel kidnappers operating in the southern islands that recently swore allegiance to the Islamic State.

Davao City is the most populous city in the south, and a pair of bombings there killed 38 people in 2003. But Duterte, its mayor for the past 20 years, has long expressed skepticism about US military presence. In 2013, he said he had blocked a US proposal to base drones at Davao City’s old airport, citing his concerns about the Meiring case.

“I do not want it,” he was quoted saying in local news media. “I do not want trouble and killings. They will only add to the problem.”

Aides to Duterte did not respond to requests for comment. But in the interview in which he discussed the case last year, Duterte said that his “hatred” for the United States was a “personal” sentiment that he could set aside in the national interest. He also said, though, that his anger over the Meiring case had not diminished.

A spokesman for the US embassy, Kurt Hoyer, said it would have no comment on the drone proposal, the Meiring affair, or how the episode might affect relations with the incoming president. He said an embassy press statement in 2002 was the final word on the case, but was unable to provide it.

In the statement, according to published reports, the embassy acknowledged that FBI agents went to the Evergreen Hotel to investigate the explosion but “categorically” denied that the agency “had any role in Mr. Meiring’s departure.”

The Meiring affair has long been the subject of conspiracy theories in the Philippines. Much remains unexplained, including why there were explosives in Meiring’s room and who mounted the operation that helped him escape.

“Why should the US take him out of the country? That’s the puzzle,” said a former high-ranking Philippine intelligence official who declined to be identified because he was not directly involved in the case.

According to news reports, Meiring had been going to Davao City for many years, usually staying in the same suite at the Evergreen. He had documents allowing him to hunt for treasure – which was believed to have been left by occupying Japanese forces during World War II – and an identity card allowing him to travel in territory held by separatist Islamic rebels.

At the time, the southern Philippines was plagued by armed conflict with the rebels and occasional bombings, including a blast a month earlier that killed 15 people in the city of General Santos, about 90 miles south of Davao City.

When the police first questioned Meiring about the explosion at the Evergreen, he said someone had thrown a grenade into his room. But investigators quickly found conclusive evidence that the blast was caused by explosives in his room, according to the police file, including the remains of two 6-volt batteries, an electric blasting cap, and a circuit board.

Doctors amputated one of Meiring’s legs, but he was taken from the hospital and flown from Davao by charter plane, the police said at the time. He received medical treatment in Manila and left the country soon after.

Witnesses said that the men who took him from the hospital displayed FBI badges. The hospital’s owner told reporters that he agreed to release Meiring despite his injuries after US officials promised to issue a work visa for his daughter, a nurse.
 
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