Sino-Vietnam war

this is funny, you spelt "soviet" as "sovyet", are you russian?
anyway. the soviet didn't keep silence. actually, ONE of the REASONS PLA stopped at liang shan is because the soviet had spoken. if china occupies viet nam, the soviet will attack us from the back, then US, who was friendly with china at the time said if soviet would attack china, US will help china. that's one of the reason china just went into liang shan, and left. even though it's not a MAIN reason, since china has no interest in viet nam at all.
there is a saying from acient time, that states once liang shan is gone, there will be no more mountains, all flat lands, and in acient time, every time the viet nam king gives the emporer a pain in the butt, once the army captures liang shan, the viet nam king would come out and surrender to them, since it's not possible to defeat the army after that.

Sorry, miss spell. Is Liang Shan is Chinese name for Lan Song city?
During the 1984 war PRC took over The Mount Lao Shan (Old Mountain), is Lao Shan and Liang Shan is the same area?

Red Guard said:

"captured a chinese field millitary hospital, and killed all the docters, nurses and wounded soldiers. The last was a big shocking news to chinese soldiers, they didn't expect vietnamese soldiers to kill those defendless people in cold blood. I think from that point the wiping out of complete vietnamese villages started, no one were spared."

this is one of the internet rumour that spreads wide. which is not true.

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'internet rumour' ? when I heard it, internet didn't even exist yet, it was a year after the war started that I heard it from my brother, who was a PLA officer at
Guangzhou millitary area at that time.

Sino-Vietnam war

The deteriated of relationship between China and Russia after death of Stalin, and eventually the sino-soviet split. Vietnam gradully become closer with USSR, eventhrough both the russia and China countinued to supply NV. For china, the soviet and Vietnam relationship was a worrying development. After Vietnam war, vietnam became closer to Russia while Cambodia became closer to China. Vietnam invaded Cambodia in late 1978 was strongly encourage by Russia. The soviets made it clear that they were supporting the Vietnam against Cambodian incursions. But China did had different perspective, China saw the distance between Soviet and Vietnam will make USSR difficult to support Viet. China also don't see Vietnam would be important enough for Soviet to go to war.

Dec, 1978, chinese military started to gather along chinese-vietnam border. Chinese military also reinforced chinese-Russia border to prepare for USSR invasion. Jan 28-Feb 4, 1979 Chinese leader DengXP visited USA and warned Vietnam about the possible War.

FEB 17, 1979 China invaded Vietnam. The PRC publicly announced their intention to invade. One of the reason cited for the invasion was the mistreatent of Viet ethnic chinese minority. The goal was to destroy Vietnam military structures along Chinese-Vietnam border, and forced Vietnam out of cambodia which China had failed. Around 80,000 PRC Liberation Army crossed into northern Vietnam. Most of Vietnam best troops were in Cambodia. The Vietnam claimed there are only 100,000 army regular divisions and militiary units in the Northern area. The fighting mainly occurring in the provinces of Cao Bang, Lao Cai, and Lang Son.

March 4, 1979 China took control of Lang son. This was very important because Lang Son was the last defence of Vietnam capital city Ha Noi.

March 5, 1979 China started retreat from Vietnam.

March 16,1979 the war end.

Chinese military- wounded+dead around 26000
Vietnam military- wounded+dead around 39000

Both PRC and Vietnam have different number of casualties, with the Viet claiming that the Chinese suffered 60,000 casualties and 20,000 deaths. The Chinese claim they suffered casualties of about 20,000 to 30,000 with Vietnamese losses at about 40,000 to 60,000.

July 12, 1984 Second Sino-Vietnam War

It was a continuation of the 1979 war, in 1984 PRC decide to take the Laoshan area and surrounding areas. Lao shan is translate as OLD mountain in Chinese. They sucessfully took control without encounter much resistance. Basicly PLA decide to dig in and control the high ground, and Vietnamese force counter attacked.

Vietnam gathered 8 regiments to take Lao Shan which was held by China. It was said the Vietnamese were hiding in the woods before the attack, PLA sent some recon fire from artillary. The Vietnamese captured some positions but was droven back by PLA counter offensive. At the end Vietnamese army redrawed leaving 2000 casualties and approximately 3000 wounded.

PLA rotate troops in and out from Lao Shan, so they could have real combat experience. By 1989 PLA withdraw their troops from Lao shan after a peace treaty was sign.

There are different opinion of who won the war. But this depend objectives of each sides, if the chinese aim was to force Viet withdrawal from Cambodia. The PRC failed while Vietnam have numbers of troops pulled out Cambodia to fight Chinese. Cambodia remained under Viet military occupation for some time. If PRC objective is to punish Viet, the war may have consider as successful. If PRC aims were to test the USSR, then this alliance may have been proven not strong. If China objective was the border disputes, PRC failed to settle it as this war. Bottom line is I think PRC probably had accomplish what they wanted in the war, but the results might not be pretty.

taijisheng said:

'internet rumour' ? when I heard it, internet didn't even exist yet, it was a year after the war started that I heard it from my brother, who was a PLA officer at
Guangzhou millitary area at that time.

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then you should be awared of the miliary rumours are spreading much wider within the army. no one could tell where it came from. one of the greatest success the viet nam specialists achieved is they successfully took out one of two artillery radar we bought from...sweden? somewhere like that.


TO simonov

i don't know the viet namese spell, so i used the chinese pingyin.

liang shang, is the one of the biggest city and provincial capital ( i believe) in northen viet nam.
lao shan is the mountain lies on the border of china and viet nam.

Red Guard said:

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liang shang, is the one of the biggest city and provincial capital ( i believe) in northen viet nam.
lao shan is the mountain lies on the border of china and viet nam.

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You're probably referring to Lang Son:


In many (but not all) Vietnamese provinces, the name of the province, and its capital city is the same. i.e. Lang Son province capital city is also called Lang Son. Same with Cao Bang and Lao Cai.

then you should be awared of the miliary rumours are spreading much wider within the army. no one could tell where it came from. one of the greatest success the viet nam specialists achieved is they successfully took out one of two artillery radar we bought from...sweden? somewhere like that.

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I have hear some kind of rumor, that PLA will kill everything live, in Lang Son, Cao Bai and Lao Cai, when they took it.
But Actually they just destroy economic resources there

rumours are spreaded, by both sides. the viet namese would spread it to show how cruel the chinese are. and the chinese would spread it to make ourselves feel good about it, since they didn't do good on chinese borders. but normally, chinese soldiers who are under the education of communist party for the last 14 years of their lives, they won't just go destroy things with cold blood. they won't just shoot anyone standing around, not even mentioning a pig or dog. but they might got orders to destroy things, like machinaries in the factory, or mecandises in the markets to destroy the economy of viet nam.
speaking fairly, PLA is an army being taught of chairman mao's thoughs, a people's army, an army found by the people, for the people, eveyrone was taught to respect the civilians, not harm both chinese people and the enemy civilians. things like raping was strictly forbiddened, anyone found raping local civilians will be shot. a story told an officer who happened to have an affair with a local viet namese woman, who happened to be with him free willingly got courtmashalled. he was killed by a land mine later in the war.

Red Guard and Patriot , I am a chinese too , i was born and grew up in china , and i am still living in china now !!
LOL

KYli said:

By 1989 PLA withdraw their troops from Lao shan after a peace treaty was sign.

There are different opinion of who won the war. But this depend objectives of each sides, if the chinese aim was to force Viet withdrawal from Cambodia. The PRC failed while Vietnam have numbers of troops pulled out Cambodia to fight Chinese. Cambodia remained under Viet military occupation for some time. If PRC objective is to punish Viet, the war may have consider as successful. If PRC aims were to test the USSR, then this alliance may have been proven not strong. If China objective was the border disputes, PRC failed to settle it as this war. Bottom line is I think PRC probably had accomplish what they wanted in the war, but the results might not be pretty.

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I'm thinking Soviet Union might have something to do with withdrawing troops. In that year Soviet break up is inevitable.