Sino-Vietnam war
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i think the class A and class B troops theory came after the war in 1979. it's part of the group army thingie. i could be wrong. in that way, there won't be class b in 1979, but yes, good armies like 38th and 39th weren't in the south for sure. but later on from 1979-1989, they did send observors, and recon teams to assist the units on the line. but i don't think they ever send any fighting groups up there.
about BM-21. the war for viet nam is nothing but a retreat, you think the "token force" of viet nam could stop the tide of glorious PLA (it's a line from one of the old 007 movies, except it's soviet - british)? from the first day of the war, the regular army of viet nam was retreating and retreating, they left local militia to fight with our army, their regular didn't join the war that much, and since we striked them first, they left some of the their trash weaponaris as well, and BM-21 rockets were one of them.
according to recent internet stories told by recon soldiers back to the 80s. once in their mission, they discovered a huge empty ground, once the command thought was a camp or some short of, while they were there, they discovered it's nothing but a field of destroyed artilleries, armoured vehciles and stuff. you see, country like viet nam could only live on the gears they got from the enemy.
ahhhhhh, i was looking for the other photo. i have this book, and there is a photo of captured AT-3 and BM-21 rockets. too bad they didn't scan that.
about BM-21. the war for viet nam is nothing but a retreat, you think the "token force" of viet nam could stop the tide of glorious PLA (it's a line from one of the old 007 movies, except it's soviet - british)? from the first day of the war, the regular army of viet nam was retreating and retreating, they left local militia to fight with our army, their regular didn't join the war that much, and since we striked them first, they left some of the their trash weaponaris as well, and BM-21 rockets were one of them.
according to recent internet stories told by recon soldiers back to the 80s. once in their mission, they discovered a huge empty ground, once the command thought was a camp or some short of, while they were there, they discovered it's nothing but a field of destroyed artilleries, armoured vehciles and stuff. you see, country like viet nam could only live on the gears they got from the enemy.
ahhhhhh, i was looking for the other photo. i have this book, and there is a photo of captured AT-3 and BM-21 rockets. too bad they didn't scan that.
they were. They've been in constant warfare for the last 4 decades, you'd expect something to come out of that. 79 was a very large wakeup call for the CMC, some people say that after 79, the foundation of People's War was destroyed.
However, it would have been different if the PLA was fighting a defensive war.
However, it would have been different if the PLA was fighting a defensive war.
I've read stories that when China first attacked Vietnam in 1979, the soldiers were lying in secrecy for 2 or 3 days before the attack (literally, lying). When the attack began, a barrage of artillery shells bombed the military targets in the area. My question is, 1. Could the PLA soldiers call in artillery strikes? 2. Is there a possibility that the PLA used a creeping barrage when advancing?
simonov said:
ja, that's because i didn't find the BM-21 rocekts photo.
and i think that casualty number is bs.
about the artillery, i don't know about right on the days of 1979, since it's a whole frontal attack, there is really no need for a platoon to call in artilleries. but later on conflicts, as our recon team was in the enemy occupied area, or when the squad size unit occupied the caves, yes they could call in artilleries, as long as the artis could get them. you know it's mountains, there are places that the arties can't get.
and the creeping barrage, i think that's what happened on that day. PLA tactics were taken from soviet army mostly. one of the problem was about the mines i guess, wasn't good enough..... casualties were made there a lot. and PLA was being nice to the locals, and local would just fire at us. so later in the war, they would kill anyone who looks suspicious. and they pretty much destroyed lots of stuff too. my da says, when our troop went deep into viet nam, they saw trucks with full tank gas and full of ammos, food, or fuel in the deep mountains. and china called up on truck drivers in the nation went into there and drive them back. and stories told by soldiers, who went into the city of "liang shan"( it's probably a viet namese name in english), and they took things they could take away, like watches. and they destroyed things they couldn't take away, like burning money, burning bicycles, destroy factory machinaries. some stories told, PLA would destroy all the light pole, phone pole, or destroy the farm animal house, let the pigs ran ont he street. basicly, just destroy the stuff they own, so they won't gain strength fast and recover. man it was fun..........
taijisheng
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I remember watching the artillary bombardment on the TV when the war started, it looked very impressive, but later it appeared that all those bombardments had no effect becuause vietnamese built their bunkers mostly halfway in the hills where it can only be reached by rockets.
The casualty was very high in the beginning because of the bad commanders, by that time the PLA had been in bad shape for like 15 years, Mao's culture revolution did the same thing to PLA as what Stalin did to his red army before the 2nd world war.
However, Vietnamese knew they could never stop a chinese advance, no matter what, their best chance was to delay china in the mountainous border region, and did their best to cause chinese casualties, however, casualties was not something that china cared much at that time, a date was set to capture the strategic city Liang Shan, and Liang Shan was captured in time. From there, Vietnam lies open.
Vietnamese fought a very bitter war, they would fought to death even when completly surrounded, their villigers , from young kids till old women, often carried out suicide attacks on chinese soldiers while chinese army tried to keep them out of the battle, on one account, vietnamese special forces infiltrated the frontline, captured a chinese field millitary hospital, and killed all the docters, nurses and wounded soldiers. The last was a big shocking news to chinese soldiers, they didn't expect vietnamese soldiers to kill those defendless people in cold blood. I think from that point the wiping out of complete vietnamese villages started, no one were spared.
That was a stupid war , I think both sides now just want to forget about it.
The casualty was very high in the beginning because of the bad commanders, by that time the PLA had been in bad shape for like 15 years, Mao's culture revolution did the same thing to PLA as what Stalin did to his red army before the 2nd world war.
However, Vietnamese knew they could never stop a chinese advance, no matter what, their best chance was to delay china in the mountainous border region, and did their best to cause chinese casualties, however, casualties was not something that china cared much at that time, a date was set to capture the strategic city Liang Shan, and Liang Shan was captured in time. From there, Vietnam lies open.
Vietnamese fought a very bitter war, they would fought to death even when completly surrounded, their villigers , from young kids till old women, often carried out suicide attacks on chinese soldiers while chinese army tried to keep them out of the battle, on one account, vietnamese special forces infiltrated the frontline, captured a chinese field millitary hospital, and killed all the docters, nurses and wounded soldiers. The last was a big shocking news to chinese soldiers, they didn't expect vietnamese soldiers to kill those defendless people in cold blood. I think from that point the wiping out of complete vietnamese villages started, no one were spared.
That was a stupid war , I think both sides now just want to forget about it.
"captured a chinese field millitary hospital, and killed all the docters, nurses and wounded soldiers. The last was a big shocking news to chinese soldiers, they didn't expect vietnamese soldiers to kill those defendless people in cold blood. I think from that point the wiping out of complete vietnamese villages started, no one were spared."
this is one of the internet rumour that spreads wide. which is not true.
this is one of the internet rumour that spreads wide. which is not true.