Sino-Vietnam war in 1979 ended with Soviet Nuclear Threat

sidewinder01 said:

Lol Please dont come to this forum and post if you are still 12 years old ok? The chinese did lose a lot of men and suffered grealy due to the lack of training and unreadiness all caused by the culture revolution, while the vietnamese has been fighting with one of th emost elite forces in the world for years. But your made up 20k death figure is no where close to the actually figure? Its 5k death even agreed by the vietnamese... and a significant amt of that death is casued by bad weapons and lack of logtics.... not KIA... once again, plz dont post random stuff up when you making it up ?

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Please tell me how is being 12 related to my 20k dead? If you want to talk about being 12, the way you type makes you look even younger.

Go get that and read it. If you even read the materials written by Chinese people you can also realize the figure is around the 20k. Next time when you don't know anything please think before you act like an ass.

Violet Oboe said:

Interesting discussion, though in order to comprehend the ´complete story´ of the Sino-Vietnamese conflict during the 80's it has to be understood that Beijing had the main intention to demonstrate that the Soviet Union was indeed a ´Paper Tiger´ abandoning her Vietnamese ally in any critical situation and that the conflict did not end in '79 but went on to a second and even third round in '84 and '88.

Vietnam got clobbered in severe border skirmishes from March '84 on culminating in the battle of mount Laoshan in June '84 and Moscow did not even batting an eye. Some four years later Vietnam's Navy got a heavy working over in the Spratly's by PLAN and the mighty Морской Флот stationed in Cam Ranh sent only a couple of surveillance planes intently observing the slaughter. ... quod erat demonstrandum!:nono:

@Damingli85:
Allegations that PLA lost 20000 or even 25000 KIA during the Sino-Vietnamese War in 1979 are patently false. Leaked contemporary PLA documents show a number of around 7000 KIA and several PLA officers cited in mainland publications have also given figures between 6000 and 9000 men killed.
Besides why is it shameful to sacrifice 20000 soldiers for a strategic purpose? After all this means PRC is deadly serious and means business!
(Perhaps you were oblivious to the fact that the US lost 56000 men for nothing in Vietnam and is currently repeating this insane pattern of behavior albeit with ´only´ 4300 KIA in Iraq.)

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I am not arguing about the point of the war. I am arguing about how it is shameful that the leaders never learned from anyone, not the American and not even history. I forgot the dynasty, it could be Qing or Ming. It was extremely hard for them to take Vietnam during their day because the Viets were so good at hit and run. I have never supported a war where you fought with one hand. Also the American-Vietnam war was also shameful.

Also the Americans cared about their dead, through China's history, and even during the 1970s, life was cheap in the PLA. Sure it sound mean and maybe to some of you it sounds like I am anti-China or whatever, but you have to remember it is the truth. Life is cheap in China.

Damingli85 said:

I am not arguing about the point of the war. I am arguing about how it is shameful that the leaders never learned from anyone, not the American and not even history. I forgot the dynasty, it could be Qing or Ming. It was extremely hard for them to take Vietnam during their day because the Viets were so good at hit and run. I have never supported a war where you fought with one hand. Also the American-Vietnam war was also shameful.

Also the Americans cared about their dead, through China's history, and even during the 1970s, life was cheap in the PLA. Sure it sound mean and maybe to some of you it sounds like I am anti-China or whatever, but you have to remember it is the truth. Life is cheap in China.

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Lol ask anyone here about losing twenty thousand man in the war and they will all think you are 12... Haha ask anyone.... and sorry I am not 12, in fact I have a masters degree in biochemistry at UW-Madison and currently doing my ph.d. Sorry to disappoint you on that. mr.12 year old. If you gonna trust those people who abondoned their own country... then you may as well really be 12 years old. They say 20 millon people died during cultural revolution too.. Are you gonna believe that? Check your sources. And the link you provided has like 5 lines of information and said nothing about death toll ok?

Damingli85 said:

I am not arguing about the point of the war. I am arguing about how it is shameful that the leaders never learned from anyone, not the American and not even history. I forgot the dynasty, it could be Qing or Ming. It was extremely hard for them to take Vietnam during their day because the Viets were so good at hit and run. I have never supported a war where you fought with one hand. Also the American-Vietnam war was also shameful.

Also the Americans cared about their dead, through China's history, and even during the 1970s, life was cheap in the PLA. Sure it sound mean and maybe to some of you it sounds like I am anti-China or whatever, but you have to remember it is the truth. Life is cheap in China.

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Life was cheap in China when Mao was around, that was not a lie because people willingly gave their life or the best part of their life to the development of the nation and to defend it's glory, this, if you did not grow up in a sudden period of time in China WOULD NEVER understand. It is that spirit that made China develop so fast after the nationlist went to taiwan and also the strength to people to stand up against any force far more stronger than China without even blinking an eye like in the Korea War or the small battle with the Soviet. Dying is not shamful, if one died for the future of their peope then their death is heavier than any mountain, if one died for one' s own selfish purposes then their death is lighter than a feather. All those people who left China and saying made up bad things about the nation that nourished them are truly shamful and have no honor in their life. And if we lose say 20k like your so called "figure" is shamful, is the viets losing 3 times or more than us or the USA more shamful then? IF you found your number from unbiased author then I have nothing to say but sorry for being an ass, but if you got your random stuff from an severly biased person then you are 12

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sidewinder01 said:

R understand. It is that spirit that made China develop so fast after the nationlist went to taiwan 12

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ff hunh??? Not if you read some of the figures for that era) The ones Ive come across didnt suggest china was doing terribly well)

/I can remember all through the 50's and 60's my father and all his friends repatriating money back to family and relatives etc.

2/ If it was doing well why did Deng think there had to be economic reform then?

nemo said:

If you think Vietnam is not intimidated, you are kidding yourself. Note how quickly Vietnam folds when support from ex-USSR ends. Vietnam now jails anyone who protests the border settlement when it accepted the defeat. Vietnam now dreads any incident that China can use as causus belli.

Compared with India, Vietnam fared worse --the infrastructure of the northern provinces was destroyed. By the end of the conflicts, China was using Vietnam to train its troops, while Vietnam was forced to maintain massive troop strength on the border.

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No, I am not kidding. If an opponent is really awe by yr power and dominated. It will stop trying to mess around with u and be a quiet guy. Just like Korea War after the 1953 which no major clash occur only very minor skirmish. UN do want another Korea war again.

In India border war in 1962, after over run by Chinese. Again no major conflict occur or reported. India was awed by PLA power that a reason why it bring India closer to Soviet and ended their harrassment on border.

In the 1979 Sino-Vietnam, definitely. China decision not to threaten Hanoi by pushing from Lang Son prove to be fatal. Plenty of harrassment by Vietnam troops was reported. Constant shelling was a daily routine. If not , 1984 Laoshan war will be avoided. LaoShan was a constant staging ground for Vietnam troops to conduct raiding into China area.

If Vietnam troops were intimidated by PLA after the 1979 war, will they still repeatly conduct raid into China from Lao Shan to irritate China?

bladerunner said:

ff hunh??? Not if you read some of the figures for that era) The ones Ive come across didnt suggest china was doing terribly well)

/I can remember all through the 50's and 60's my father and all his friends repatriating money back to family and relatives etc.

2/ If it was doing well why did Deng think there had to be economic reform then?

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if u gonna compare the living standard in term of material of china at that time with the US standard is like comparing the size of an ant to a King rex... I said the China developed very fast considering how far behind they started in term of technology and modernization, and i didnt say anything about economics or living standard.. China was a new born nation back then facing mutiple tremendiously difficult problems from all aspects and bad luck in term of climate, you expect it to achieve the living standard of USA in 20 years? Did USA become more dominant than the british in 20 years? The new PRC started basically from scratch and quickly caught up in many aspect. Chinese Scientists were the FIRST to artifically reproduce protein(insulin) in the 1960s, developed atomic bomb and hydrogen bomb by far fastests among the nations who have them(please dont say things like the Soviets gave China the blueprint of an atomic bomb or the critical mass value) and posses the most efficent system of password cracking system the world.(for communication)

Lion said:

No, I am not kidding. If an opponent is really awe by yr power and dominated. It will stop trying to mess around with u and be a quiet guy. Just like Korea War after the 1953 which no major clash occur only very minor skirmish. UN do want another Korea war again.

In India border war in 1962, after over run by Chinese. Again no major conflict occur or reported. India was awed by PLA power that a reason why it bring India closer to Soviet and ended their harrassment on border.

In the 1979 Sino-Vietnam, definitely. China decision not to threaten Hanoi by pushing from Lang Son prove to be fatal. Plenty of harrassment by Vietnam troops was reported. Constant shelling was a daily routine. If not , 1984 Laoshan war will be avoided. LaoShan was a constant staging ground for Vietnam troops to conduct raiding into China area.

If Vietnam troops were intimidated by PLA after the 1979 war, will they still repeatly conduct raid into China from Lao Shan to irritate China?

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I totally agree, the viets definitely werent scared or intimidated. I dont think anything can really intimidate them..... they can be beaten down or crushed.. but they can never be dominated by force

sidewinder01 said:

I totally agree, the viets definitely werent scared or intimidated. I dont think anything can really intimidate them..... they can be beaten down or crushed.. but they can never be dominated by force

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The Vietnamese were and are a proud civilization that takes pride in the fact that they were never fully conquered by China. Even the strongest Chinese dynasties, ones that nearly (and some say did) achieved superpower status in the Pacific and Indian ocean theaters, were not able to subdue the Vietnamese. The people of Vietnam know that from childhood and they will be never afraid of Chinese military power. They stood up to the US and they would stand gladly up to China against enormous odds simply for their backbone.