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Sino-Myanmar Border Conflicts
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This is quite interesting development:
India Is Using Its Military Incursions Into Burma to Send a Message to Other Countries
New Delhi wants its neighbors to know it can no longer be pushed around, analysts say
The Indian army’s recent operations against militants along its eastern borders remains largely shrouded in mystery and continued to cause controversy on Thursday, two days after special forces crossed the border into Burma (officially known as Myanmar) and inflicted “significant casualties” at two bases belonging to insurgents there.
The Burmese government denied the operation completely, with a Facebook post from the director of the president’s office reportedly saying that according to their information the operation was performed only on the Indian side of the border.
“Myanmar will not accept any foreigner who attacks neighboring countries in the back and creates problems by using our own territory,” he said, to Indian local media.
It is still unclear how much of the Indian operation Burma was privy to, but a senior Indian military official had said on Wednesday that authorities from both countries had been in contact about the strikes. The back-and-forth allegations and denials, however, have created a degree of friction between two countries and armies that have generally been on good terms with each other.
“It creates a problem for the Myanmar government,” Rumel Dahiya, deputy director-general of New Delhi-based Institute for Defense Studies and Analysis, and a former brigadier in the Indian army, said in an interview with TIME.
Dahiya says India’s trumpeting of the operation’s success — a that killed 20 Indian soldiers in the northeastern state of Manipur last week — places the Burmese between a rock and a hard place, no matter whether they admit knowledge of the Indian operation or not. “What do they say?” he said, pointing out that 2015 is also an election year for Burma. “In both cases it creates a bit of a complication for them.”
Instead, Dahiya advocates greater coordination with the Burmese government, with the sharing of military intelligence and the planning of joint operations. “Doing these kinds of things repeatedly would become a problem unless they are on board,” he said.
The indication from the Indian government seems to be that such operations will continue to take place, with Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar saying on Thursday that the Burma operation represents a change in India’s mindset.
“Those who fear India’s new posture have already started reacting,” he said, the Times of India, in a pointed dig at the South Asian nation’s contentious neighbor Pakistan. India and Pakistan have fought three wars since the 1950s, and the disputed region of Kashmir remains a thorn in both their sides and a hotbed for regional terrorism.
“Pakistan is not Myanmar, and India should not think of repeating such an exercise inside Pakistani territory,” Pakistani interior minister Nisar Ali Khan had warned after the attack.
Many have the Indian government’s “chest-thumping” over the successful covert operation, and although Dahiya also feels it is “definitely not required” he adds that it is part of a larger point that the Indian government under Prime Minister Narendra Modi wishes to drive home.
“The government is trying to convey a message that you can’t push India around, it’s a big country and it’s a country which can take care of its national interests,” he says, citing the reduction in ceasefire violations on the India-Pakistan border and Modi’s strong response to border infractions by China during Chinese president Xi Jinping’s visit last year as examples.
The Burma operation probably doesn’t represent the new norm in Indian foreign policy, Dahiya adds, but it does send the signal that “should an eventuality arise where the cost-benefit analysis suggests it is better to do that than being subjected to a major act of terror, then as the Americans say, all options are on the table.”
India 'attacks rebels in Myanmar
The Indian army has attacked rebel camps inside Myanmar, days after at least 20 of its soldiers were killed in an ambush on a troop convoy in north-east India, a minister has said.
Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore said the troops had destroyed two rebel camps in Myanmar and "returned safely".
Senior army officer Ranbir Singh said the operation "inflicted significant casualties" on the Indian rebels.
Last week's ambush occurred near the border with Myanmar in Manipur state.
The Indian army had launched a massive search involving hundreds soldiers and helicopters to track down the rebels, who were reported to have crossed the porous border into Myanmar (also known as Burma) from Manipur's Chandel district after the ambush.
Authorities in Manipur have struggled for years with an insurgency involving several militant groups.
While the Indian army said its soldiers had operated along the border with Myanmar, Mr Rathore said the troops had "crossed over to Myanmar territory" during Tuesday morning's operation.
"It was a much-need decision that was taken by the prime minister. This decision was extremely bold in nature. And it involved our Special Forces crossing the border and going deep into another country," Mr Rathore, who is the junior information minister, told The Indian Express newspaper.
The Press Trust of India news agency quoted unnamed sources as saying that Indian troops had killed some 15 rebels in the "cross-border" attack.
Major General Ranbir Singh of the Indian army said in a statement that they were "in communication with the Myanmar authorities on this matter".
"There is a history of close co-operation between our two militaries. We look forward to working with them to combat such terrorism," he said.
The rebels had used used rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles to target the soldiers in Manipur last Thursday.
Manipur has been relatively peaceful in recent years and the attack took authorities by surprise.
Along with other north-east Indian states, Manipur is poorly developed and has long complained of neglect by the federal government, fuelling unrest, correspondents say.
Aung San Suu Kyi arrives in Beijing, meets President Xi Jinping
The move could also be read as a snub to Myanmar's quasi-military government in light of recent tensions. "The invitation will no doubt upset the Burmese government," said Zaw.
So while China sit on its arse when its own citizens were bombed and killed by Burmese military - with their attitude actually blaming China for it - the Indians actually did something about it. LOL!
Its quite obvious the Burmese leadership doesn't take China seriously - they didn't apologize for the incidents, and repeatedly bombed chinese territory and killed chinese citizen while blaming China for it.
China's approach to all this is to invite Burma's opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi to Beijing to have a chat. R U SERIOUS!? LOL!
India Is Using Its Military Incursions Into Burma to Send a Message to Other Countries
New Delhi wants its neighbors to know it can no longer be pushed around, analysts say
The Indian army’s recent operations against militants along its eastern borders remains largely shrouded in mystery and continued to cause controversy on Thursday, two days after special forces crossed the border into Burma (officially known as Myanmar) and inflicted “significant casualties” at two bases belonging to insurgents there.
The Burmese government denied the operation completely, with a Facebook post from the director of the president’s office reportedly saying that according to their information the operation was performed only on the Indian side of the border.
“Myanmar will not accept any foreigner who attacks neighboring countries in the back and creates problems by using our own territory,” he said, to Indian local media.
It is still unclear how much of the Indian operation Burma was privy to, but a senior Indian military official had said on Wednesday that authorities from both countries had been in contact about the strikes. The back-and-forth allegations and denials, however, have created a degree of friction between two countries and armies that have generally been on good terms with each other.
“It creates a problem for the Myanmar government,” Rumel Dahiya, deputy director-general of New Delhi-based Institute for Defense Studies and Analysis, and a former brigadier in the Indian army, said in an interview with TIME.
Dahiya says India’s trumpeting of the operation’s success — a that killed 20 Indian soldiers in the northeastern state of Manipur last week — places the Burmese between a rock and a hard place, no matter whether they admit knowledge of the Indian operation or not. “What do they say?” he said, pointing out that 2015 is also an election year for Burma. “In both cases it creates a bit of a complication for them.”
Instead, Dahiya advocates greater coordination with the Burmese government, with the sharing of military intelligence and the planning of joint operations. “Doing these kinds of things repeatedly would become a problem unless they are on board,” he said.
The indication from the Indian government seems to be that such operations will continue to take place, with Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar saying on Thursday that the Burma operation represents a change in India’s mindset.
“Those who fear India’s new posture have already started reacting,” he said, the Times of India, in a pointed dig at the South Asian nation’s contentious neighbor Pakistan. India and Pakistan have fought three wars since the 1950s, and the disputed region of Kashmir remains a thorn in both their sides and a hotbed for regional terrorism.
“Pakistan is not Myanmar, and India should not think of repeating such an exercise inside Pakistani territory,” Pakistani interior minister Nisar Ali Khan had warned after the attack.
Many have the Indian government’s “chest-thumping” over the successful covert operation, and although Dahiya also feels it is “definitely not required” he adds that it is part of a larger point that the Indian government under Prime Minister Narendra Modi wishes to drive home.
“The government is trying to convey a message that you can’t push India around, it’s a big country and it’s a country which can take care of its national interests,” he says, citing the reduction in ceasefire violations on the India-Pakistan border and Modi’s strong response to border infractions by China during Chinese president Xi Jinping’s visit last year as examples.
The Burma operation probably doesn’t represent the new norm in Indian foreign policy, Dahiya adds, but it does send the signal that “should an eventuality arise where the cost-benefit analysis suggests it is better to do that than being subjected to a major act of terror, then as the Americans say, all options are on the table.”
India 'attacks rebels in Myanmar
The Indian army has attacked rebel camps inside Myanmar, days after at least 20 of its soldiers were killed in an ambush on a troop convoy in north-east India, a minister has said.
Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore said the troops had destroyed two rebel camps in Myanmar and "returned safely".
Senior army officer Ranbir Singh said the operation "inflicted significant casualties" on the Indian rebels.
Last week's ambush occurred near the border with Myanmar in Manipur state.
The Indian army had launched a massive search involving hundreds soldiers and helicopters to track down the rebels, who were reported to have crossed the porous border into Myanmar (also known as Burma) from Manipur's Chandel district after the ambush.
Authorities in Manipur have struggled for years with an insurgency involving several militant groups.
While the Indian army said its soldiers had operated along the border with Myanmar, Mr Rathore said the troops had "crossed over to Myanmar territory" during Tuesday morning's operation.
"It was a much-need decision that was taken by the prime minister. This decision was extremely bold in nature. And it involved our Special Forces crossing the border and going deep into another country," Mr Rathore, who is the junior information minister, told The Indian Express newspaper.
The Press Trust of India news agency quoted unnamed sources as saying that Indian troops had killed some 15 rebels in the "cross-border" attack.
Major General Ranbir Singh of the Indian army said in a statement that they were "in communication with the Myanmar authorities on this matter".
"There is a history of close co-operation between our two militaries. We look forward to working with them to combat such terrorism," he said.
The rebels had used used rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles to target the soldiers in Manipur last Thursday.
Manipur has been relatively peaceful in recent years and the attack took authorities by surprise.
Along with other north-east Indian states, Manipur is poorly developed and has long complained of neglect by the federal government, fuelling unrest, correspondents say.
Aung San Suu Kyi arrives in Beijing, meets President Xi Jinping
The move could also be read as a snub to Myanmar's quasi-military government in light of recent tensions. "The invitation will no doubt upset the Burmese government," said Zaw.
So while China sit on its arse when its own citizens were bombed and killed by Burmese military - with their attitude actually blaming China for it - the Indians actually did something about it. LOL!
Its quite obvious the Burmese leadership doesn't take China seriously - they didn't apologize for the incidents, and repeatedly bombed chinese territory and killed chinese citizen while blaming China for it.
China's approach to all this is to invite Burma's opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi to Beijing to have a chat. R U SERIOUS!? LOL!
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There are big differences in the situations which ties China's hands in responding militarily while allowing India to do so. The Burmese military were the ones callously causing collateral damage in China while operating in rebel territory within its own borders.
Indian/Burmese rebels were the ones deliberately targeting Indian authorities in India from rebel territory which straddles the Indian/Burmese border.
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COMPLETELY different scenarios...which would requite completely different responses.
The Burmese/Myanmar military is reported to have accidently inflicted collateral damage on Chinese citizens while attacking rebels/insurgents/militants who were operating right along the border.
For China to attack the Burmese/Myanmar military when they were fighting militants within their own country would be unwise of China.
The Indians did not attack or target the Burmese/Myanmar military or government at all. They attacked the militants who had ambushed Indian soldiers in India. The retaliated across the border at militant camps who attacked the Indian military.
Completely different situations.
Please be careful not to start beating war drums and get too emotionally involved here on SD.
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Blackstone
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In addition, Myanmar cooperated with India, so it was technically a joint operation.
Blackstone
Brigadier
I guess that answers who was at fault and what it took to satiate Beijing.
Equation
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I thought the invite of opposition party leader Aung San Suu Yi finalized that deal.
SinoSoldier
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A Myanmar Air Force J-7 was possibly shot down, possibly by Chinese forces, yesterday.
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