Sino-Myanmar Border Conflicts

Blackstone

Brigadier
In case it wasn't clear before, the incident has now been officially investigated and handled by both sides.

A bit of misinformation at the end there making the Kokang rebels seem more affiliated with China than they really are.

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Officially affiliated to China or not, Kokang rebels are receiving aid from the PLA. A major general is being court marsheled for leaking secrets and rendering aid to Kokang rebels. So, is he a rouge general officer bent on sedition, or the tip of the iceberg?

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"One million yuan should not be a strong enough reason to charge a major general. Other generals facing corruption investigations have all allegedly received much more than that," the friend said.

"Huang's family handed in the one million yuan, but the authorities still went ahead and charged him. I suspect somebody is just waiting for an opportunity to bring him down."

The PLA Daily reported that Huang was investigated by military graft-busters in January over "serious disciplinary violations".

His case had been handed over to military judicial institutions, it added. The military newspaper did not mention Huang's alleged relationship with Kokang rebels.

The People's Liberation Army strictly forbids officials contacting foreign military personnel without prior approval. Myanmar's chief of military affairs security last month alleged that Kokang rebel forces had received training and advice from former Chinese soldiers during a recent upsurge in fighting.

He also hinted the rebels had received support from China. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Beijing and the Kokang rebel leader denied the claim.

Professor Arthur Ding Shu-fan, a PLA expert at the Taipei-based Chinese Council of Advanced Policy Studies, said he was surprised to see Huang's name on the list of the 14 disgraced generals.

"Huang is quite famous for his research work on military strategies. As a military scholar, I didn't think he would be implicated in corruption because he wouldn't have had many opportunities to take bribes," he said.

Two retired senior colonels said Huang's detention was due to a combination of factors.

They said Huang's involvement with the Kokang rebels was a "political mistake" and an embarrassment to the PLA hierarchy. "The fact that this is not mentioned [in the PLA Daily report] suggests that the top leaders may feel embarrassed. Instead they picked a more convenient charge to punish him with," one of the retired officers said.
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Officially affiliated to China or not, Kokang rebels are receiving aid from the PLA. A major general is being court marsheled for leaking secrets and rendering aid to Kokang rebels. So, is he a rouge general officer bent on sedition, or the tip of the iceberg?

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Possible that he was acting on orders and his court marshal is just a cover but for now it leans towards conspiracy theory for me.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me three times, forget the peace signs, load up the Flankers, let it rain on you.

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Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hong Lei said at a daily press briefing in Beijing on April 28 that Myanmar army shells had fallen on Chinese territory, without specifying when the incident occurred.

“Recently, some shells from Myanmar have fallen into China causing damage to property, but fortunately no injuries or deaths,” Mr Lei told the press briefing on Tuesday.

“China has already lodged stern representations with Myanmar and demanded they earnestly take effective steps to prevent this from happening again,” Mr Lei added. “Myanmar said they will try to severely restrain the relevant personnel to prevent it from happening again.”

A senior official from the President’s Office told The Myanmar Timesyesterday that China’s claim was under investigation.

“The information is being examined, but has not yet been confirmed by the Tatmadaw,” said director U Zaw Htay.

On April 27, the Tatmadaw published a photograph it said showed heavy fighting between government forces and fighters from the Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army (MNDAA) on April 23 close to the border with China. The Tatmadaw also said in a statement that it had taken great care to ensure that its shells did not cross the border, even though this had placed limitations on the execution of military manoeuvres during the battle.

A colonel in the Tatmadaw’s Public Relations and Psychological Warfare section said yesterday the allegations from China had not yet been verified.

The Chinese spokesperson’s briefing coincided with the visit there of Thura U Shwe Mann, the influential Speaker of the Pyidaungsu Hluttaw. The Speaker left for the United States yesterday on a separate trip.

Myanmar formally apologised to China on April 2 for a separate cross-border bombing by one of its aircraft that killed five Chinese farm workers and wounded eight on March 13. Military analysts said the incident highlighted the problems facing the Tatmadaw in pursuing MNDAA fighters close to the border.

Officials said the issue of compensation for the five Chinese villagers would be discussed later, but no subsequent statement on the matter has been issued.
 

Skye_ZTZ_113

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Hmm. Surely the Myanmaran army units over there cannot be foolish enough to think that the Chinese are bluffing? This just seems.....needlessly reckless.

No doubt the border defense units will be on heightened alert again. I wonder if the PLA have moved any of their Special Operations Forces to the border.....
 

Ultra

Junior Member
Oh it gets worse.


Myanmar Army Holds Three Chinese Nationals on Suspicion of Spying
2015-05-14

Authorities in the conflict-torn northern Myanmar border region of Kokang have detained three Chinese citizens on suspicion of spying for the Chinese military, local sources said onThursday.

Li Nan, Mu Tengfei and a driver identified only by a nickname Xiao Wang were detained by government troops during a security check on the Myanmar side of the border with China's Yunnan province on suspicion of spying for the People's Liberation Army (PLA), according to a volunteer at a refugee school in the vicinity.

"They ... were caught by Myanmar government troops while they were out hiking," a volunteer at a school for refugee children in Kokang told RFA.

"They called us three times [onWednesday] but now we are unable to reach them," the volunteer, surnamed Xu, said. "There is a message saying their cellphones have been switched off."

Xu described the men as wearing army-issue vests and shorts, adding that Myanmar troops had become suspicious after seeing that their cellphones contained photos of other people in military-type clothing.

But Xu denied the three men were spies.

"They were volunteers, who had been here a couple of months," he said.

Tensions are already running high between China and Myanmar as the Kokang conflict has spilled over the border repeatedly in recent weeks.

In March, Myanmar acknowledged responsibility for a bomb mistakenly dropped in Yunnan province by its Air Force onMarch 13, killing five Chinese nationals, amid the ongoing conflict between government troops and ethnic rebels in the Kokang region of northeastern Shan state.

China responded to the bombing by mobilizing jet fighters along the border.

Kokang forces have also denied allegations that they have been recruiting demobilized PLA soldiers to fight Myanmar government forces in the region.

The Myanmar National Democratic Alliance Army (MNDAA) under ethnic Chinese commander Peng Jiasheng on Feb. 9 launched a bid to retake the rugged and mountainous Kokang region, a corner of Shan state which it had controlled until 2009, beginning in the Kokang regional capital Laukkai.

Teaching refugees

A second volunteer in the region, who recruits teachers to help in refugee schools, said the men had gone hiking into the hills during a bout of fighting, describing them as "curious spectators."

"Li Nan, a teacher with us, was an ex-soldier ... he came here as a support teacher during his teacher training," the volunteer said.

"Things don't look good right now, because they have been designated Chinese military spies," the volunteer said.

"He had a lot of photos on his phone from his time in the military, but the Myanmar army lacks conclusive evidence," he said.

"We have a lot of evidence that shows he was a teacher here, including written materials, photos, and that he was doing his teaching practice."

He said Li and Mu had been selected from a website featuring student teachers looking to fulfill teaching practice requirements.

He said the Chinese government had yet to make an official response to the three men's arrest.

The Chahe Dam refugee camp school had taught some 200 children of families displaced by the conflict, but has now suspended operations indefinitely following the arrests, volunteers told RFA.

An official who answered the phone at the county police department in Yunnan's Lincang city, just across the border, confirmed the incident.

"Someone came here at 1.00 a.m.this morningto find us and report this matter," the officer said.

"This didn't take place inside China, so all we can do is report it to the higher authorities and wait for them to mediate," the officer said. "We reported itthis morning."

"This has to do with diplomatic relations, so we police can't resolve it."

Border area off limits

The officer said police had been ordered not to approach the border area.

"We had a directive saying we mustn't go near the border areas, so how could Chinese citizens go there by themselves without the approval of the Chinese government?" he said.

An employee who answered the phone at a consular helpline for Chinese nationals in Myanmar said they too had received similar reports.

"We told them to get in touch with the main consulate in Mandalay," the employee said. "This area comes under the Mandalay consulate, who mediate any consular safety issues that happen there."

An employee who answered the Mandalay consular assistance helpline said they would report the incident to the consulate, "to see if they can render assistance."

But the employee added: "We don't have a grasp of the situation on the ground."

Sporadic fighting has continued in Kokang, in spite of peace talks in Yangon between the government and representatives of 16 armed ethnic groups that yielded a draft nationwide cease-fire agreement on March 31.

The MNDAA was not represented at the talks.

Last month, a group of 20 nationals from China were turned away by hundreds of angry villagers in the Kokang region of northeastern Myanmar's Shan state Friday after crossing the border and attempting to plant a flag declaring the area to be Chinese territory, according to a local ethnic party official.

The Chinese nationals, including armed border guards, crossed into the area near Muse town from China's Yunnan province and declared their intention to build a bridge across the Shweli (in Chinese, Ruili) river, local sources said at the time.


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bluewater2012

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Can't edit my earlier post so posting an source now found this morning.

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BEIJING (AP) — Clashes between Myanmar forces and ethnic rebels in the northeast left at least 24 rebels killed, Myanmar officials said Friday, after Chinese officials said artillery shells injured five people on its side of the border.

Myanmar government soldiers and ethnic Kokang rebels have been fighting for several months in the country's northeast, and Chinese officials have complained of several instances in which shells and airstrikes hit across the border.

The statement Myanmar's Defense Ministry issued late Friday did not mention any shells falling into China. It said government troops occupied major rebel outposts Thursday and Friday, using artillery attacks and airstrikes, and that at least 24 rebels had been killed.

Chinese officials said earlier that shelling fired from Myanmar on Thursday injured five people and damaged four houses near the Yunnan province city of Lincang.

The Lincang government said in a news release that one Chinese national and four Burmese living in the border community were injured.

Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying reiterated China's "strong dissatisfaction" and urged Myanmar to restore stability to the region "as soon as possible."

Myanmar presidential spokesman Ye Htut said he could not confirm the incident, but he told The Associated Press that China should keep good control of its borders.

"If these countries want to prevent incidents like these, they should beef up border control and not allow rebel groups to operate in these areas," Ye Htut said.
 

SpicySichuan

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"If these countries want to prevent incidents like these, they should beef up border control and not allow rebel groups to operate in these areas." As much as China is disliked by most countries in SE Asia due to the South China Sea dispute, if the sentence above invites a proportional PLA retaliation against Burmese artillery units, such retaliation would not be illegal (legitimate self-defense). Also, if the Burmese army provokes a Chinese retaliation, there's not much the U.S. and India could do other than verbally accusing China of "overreaction." I don't know what's in the mind of the Burmese leadership, but such provocation looks extraordinarily unwise. Of course, conspiracy theorists would probably argue that the CIA or the Indian intelligence could be behind this drama to push back against Chinese regional influence, but that's conspiracy theory.
 
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