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Going by what people are writing, I thought many of the posters on this forum is attempting to escalate tensions - not the western media.
Sino-Myanmar Border Conflicts
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Going by what people are writing, I thought many of the posters on this forum is attempting to escalate tensions - not the western media.
broadsword
Brigadier
No problem
And thanks, Jaybird.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
It's not escalating tensions when you've been bombed and your people killed in your own country in a conflict that you're not participating in. Maybe it's China's fault for letting refugees in as the Myanmar government suggested it was for helping the refugees find sanctuary in China. Yeah and if China blocked refugees from entering, it would get heat for lack of compassion.
Sorry to tell you but the build up on the border right now made Myanmar think twice if reports are true that they now feel sorry for the incident. It wasn't because of China doing nothing but give out its notorious canned responses. Maybe Myanmar took to heart that they hurt the Chinese people's feelings? Do you think those howitzers and rockets being moved in was for shooting down aircraft? Those are offensive weapons. The first thing Myanmar did was deny it and claim it wasn't them because their GPS said their aircraft never crossed the border. What do you think made them come to their "senses" if true as reported that they're attempting de-escalate now? They should've done that from the beginning instead of denying it and trying to blame others. Yeah before when Myanmar was declared a rogue state, the government was irrational and capable of unspeakable crimes. But now since it's made nice with the US, their word is good as gold, so they can't be capable of lying, right?
I bet Myanmar and its new friendship with the US thought it had protection and that's why they denied it. Anyone else where their citizens get killed in their own country would be calling for war if the country responsible deny it and tried to blame others. Maybe you guys don't know that this isn't the first time Myanmar has crossed the border to go after rebels. Killing farmers exposes that Myanmar openly attacks unarmed people. If it were the other way around or Myanmar were on the US's bad side, they would call it genocide.
Yeah let's not offend Myanmar deep in their denial and their criminal act. Let's support the system of injustice being established in this world where crimes aren't determined by the act committed. It's determined by two factors. Who commits the act and who's the victim of that act. It's sad where only certain people in this world have to consider how the offender might feel if you respond against their criminality.
What I just wrote... was it a little strong? Now you know I feel to the reaction to anyone daring to suggest China not respond lightly to Myanmar's offensive responses to this incident. And I can see the hypocrisy of some who wouldn't dare to suggest to any country that they back down and appease an aggressive China.
Sorry to tell you but the build up on the border right now made Myanmar think twice if reports are true that they now feel sorry for the incident. It wasn't because of China doing nothing but give out its notorious canned responses. Maybe Myanmar took to heart that they hurt the Chinese people's feelings? Do you think those howitzers and rockets being moved in was for shooting down aircraft? Those are offensive weapons. The first thing Myanmar did was deny it and claim it wasn't them because their GPS said their aircraft never crossed the border. What do you think made them come to their "senses" if true as reported that they're attempting de-escalate now? They should've done that from the beginning instead of denying it and trying to blame others. Yeah before when Myanmar was declared a rogue state, the government was irrational and capable of unspeakable crimes. But now since it's made nice with the US, their word is good as gold, so they can't be capable of lying, right?
I bet Myanmar and its new friendship with the US thought it had protection and that's why they denied it. Anyone else where their citizens get killed in their own country would be calling for war if the country responsible deny it and tried to blame others. Maybe you guys don't know that this isn't the first time Myanmar has crossed the border to go after rebels. Killing farmers exposes that Myanmar openly attacks unarmed people. If it were the other way around or Myanmar were on the US's bad side, they would call it genocide.
Yeah let's not offend Myanmar deep in their denial and their criminal act. Let's support the system of injustice being established in this world where crimes aren't determined by the act committed. It's determined by two factors. Who commits the act and who's the victim of that act. It's sad where only certain people in this world have to consider how the offender might feel if you respond against their criminality.
What I just wrote... was it a little strong? Now you know I feel to the reaction to anyone daring to suggest China not respond lightly to Myanmar's offensive responses to this incident. And I can see the hypocrisy of some who wouldn't dare to suggest to any country that they back down and appease an aggressive China.
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vesicles
Colonel
My own personal experience: whenever there is a mess and you have even the slightest thing to do with it, do NOT deny, blame others or attempt to find excuse for it. I know admitting wrongdoing will make you look dumb and incompetent, but denying it will ALWAYS make you look much much worse. Always apologize and find a way to clean up the mess and come up with way to prevent similar mess from happening again.
If Myanmar admitted their mistake and apologized immediately after the incident and agreed to cover the damage, everyone would have moved on long ago. Yet, they decided to deny any involvement even though they knew that everyone involved had absolutely no doubt it was they who did it. It as just the flat-out lying that made China angry. It was not only offensive, but also insulting. Did they actually think they could fool anyone into believing that they had nothing to do with it?
As Teddy Roosevelt famously said, speak softly but carry a big stick. People will not take you seriously until you show up wth a big stick. And Myanmar did not take China seriously at the beginning. They changed their tone when they saw the weapons build-up by China. They suddenly realized that China is seriously and not to be messed with.
If Myanmar admitted their mistake and apologized immediately after the incident and agreed to cover the damage, everyone would have moved on long ago. Yet, they decided to deny any involvement even though they knew that everyone involved had absolutely no doubt it was they who did it. It as just the flat-out lying that made China angry. It was not only offensive, but also insulting. Did they actually think they could fool anyone into believing that they had nothing to do with it?
As Teddy Roosevelt famously said, speak softly but carry a big stick. People will not take you seriously until you show up wth a big stick. And Myanmar did not take China seriously at the beginning. They changed their tone when they saw the weapons build-up by China. They suddenly realized that China is seriously and not to be messed with.
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vesicles
Colonel
For those who think China is overreacting. Please think of the 4 unarmed farmers who were killed and 9 seriously injured. Innocent lives lost. Their families broken. Someone has to be held accountable. China has the right to ask questions and find those who is responsible. And if those responsible do not want to be serious, then China has the right to pursue further actions. And Chinese citizens living peacefully at the border deserve to be protected as anyone should be.
vesicles
Colonel
Another thing. To this day, no one has officially taken responsibility for the bombing yet, as the Myanmar govnt still blames the rebel. So no one knows with 100% certainty whether the bombing was actually a mistake or was intentional. Especially given the fact that this kind of bombing has happened multiple times before, who can blame China for being careful and wanting to make sure they are prepared for any possible scenario including a possible planned attack (someone intentionally messing with China)? So in addition to showing off their big stick, China also wants to be prepared.
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solarz
Brigadier
Myanmar is run by a military junta used to having its way, so it's not surprising that their first reaction is to deny responsibility. The Chinese government took the appropriate, proportional response by sticking to its claim that the Myanmar government was responsible for the bombing, not the rebels as claimed, and by upping the security of the border region in question.
bluewater2012
Junior Member
Myanmar offers compensation to families of bombing victim
Myanmar government has offered 70,000 yuan ($11,222) in compensation to each of the families of those killed in the bombings in the Yunnan border province but China has yet to respond to the proposal, Global Times newspaper reported on Wednesday.
Some representatives of Myanmar said the maximum compensation for fatalities in the Kokang region is 20,000 yuan.
Myanmar government has offered 70,000 yuan ($11,222) in compensation to each of the families of those killed in the bombings in the Yunnan border province but China has yet to respond to the proposal, Global Times newspaper reported on Wednesday.
Some representatives of Myanmar said the maximum compensation for fatalities in the Kokang region is 20,000 yuan.
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