Significance of the Chinese military contribution to World War 2 disputed.

lightspeed · Jul 29, 2012

jackliu said:
As to why Chinese media not recognizing the sacrifice of KMT, well, isn't that obvious? They lost the civil war, do you expect anything else? And the fact that the mainland media is recognizing more and more the achievement of the KMT side for the sake of unification is a right step in the process.

any source links? not a few movies / tv dramas that put the Chinese Nationalist in a more favorable light. i can also point out some shows that took a swipe at the Nationalist based on false historical claims.

the Chinese media have repetition 中国共产党是抗日战争的中流砥柱 till today, that is an insult to the Nationalist troops whom fought 95% of the war.

i don't expect the Chinese media to change it's stance. it is 成王败寇 logic.

jackliu · Jul 29, 2012

lightspeed said:
any source links? not a few movies / tv dramas that put the Chinese Nationalist in a more favorable light. i can also point out some shows that took a swipe at the Nationalist based on false historical claims.

the Chinese media have repetition 中国共产党是抗日战争的中流砥柱 till today, that is an insult to the Nationalist troops whom fought 95% of the war.

i don't expect the Chinese media to change it's stance. it is 成王败寇 logic.

If by your logic that all media in China are controlled, then those so called few movies / tv dramas that beginning to show KMT in a positive light is a proof of that isn't it? Otherwise, how can they be allowed to be produced in the 1st place?

lightspeed · Jul 29, 2012

jackliu said:
If by your logic that all media in China are controlled, then those so called few movies / tv dramas that beginning to show KMT in a positive light is a proof of that isn't it? Otherwise, how can they be allowed to be produced in the 1st place?

i guess.
1)the Chinese media market are big, it's very hard for the authorities to control everything.
2)making Nationalist shows are ok, just don't touch the political side of it.
3)it's the plan. showing some Nationalist shows in a positive light will help to convince the people of China that the media are not biased toward the Nationalist. most shows are still pro-CCP and negative portrayal of the KMT.

i was told that the Sino-Japanese war shows are very popular in China in recent years. is that true?

jackliu · Jul 29, 2012

lightspeed said:
i guess.
1)the Chinese media market are big, it's very hard for the authorities to control everything.
2)making Nationalist shows are ok, just don't touch the political side of it.
3)it's the plan. showing some Nationalist shows in a positive light will help to convince the people of China that the media are not biased toward the Nationalist. most shows are still pro-CCP and negative portrayal of the KMT.

i was told that the Sino-Japanese war shows are very popular in China in recent years. is that true?

1. Chinese media are big, but those movie/TV shoes which need months to make and millions of Yuan of investment are not something small, if they want to make something like that, that criticize the Chinese government, no way it can be made. Same thing here, the reason it is being made and being approved means something. Besides this is even more effective than official history class, because people actually enjoy watching it.

2. Follow those links by solarz, they are more of action flick than political dramas.

3. That's why I say it is improving, it was only one sided before, but now they are starting to show KMT in a more positive light, for the sake of understanding between both sides. Because China and TW are still the same people after all.

4. Oh yeah, anything anti Japanese are extremely popular there. Chinese people actually don't have bad opinion about KMT or Taiwan at all.

Kurt · Jul 29, 2012

There's the

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in PRC - the PRC has their loyal and honoured KMT, most people forget that.

Japan was a poor country with few scientists in comparison to the"White" powers. From the contemporary racial POV of the 40s the Japanese were still counted "white" to some degree as an honour since Tsushima. Japan put all her hopes into her navy and took big gambles to have a great navy despite her small industrial base. Her land army was little advanced from World War I levels and at least a generation behind any great power enemies, but fought in one of the least interesting and developed places on earth(sea) that depended on naval powerplay.

delft · Jul 29, 2012

vincent said:
No he/she did not. We are discussing the accuracies of the information from mainland. If you want to discuss the trustworthiness of things from mainland, you have to keep in mind everything has to be approved by the censor. The communist has a proven history of distorting, covering and outright lying about the history. Any ration person would take whatever spew out or approved by the Chinese government with a huge grain of salt. You know what people are saying in China? Rumours aren't true until government experts come out to deny them.

I went through elementary school in China and what I learned from school is that the communist forces are the only one actually fighting the Japanese while the Nationalist army cowered in fear and run away whenever they encountered the Japanese. Even now the TV shows and movies that involved the Nationalist army (the official Chinese army at the time) aren't exactly flattering. It is a real shame because there shouldn't be distinction of communist forces or Nationalist forces. There is only the Chinese forces and people should learn what those brave men and women did to defend their country, regardless of their party affiliations.

As the thread has already been somewhat derailed let me tell something of my experience as a pupil in the last year of my primary school in The Netherlands in 1956. My teacher, the head master of the school, told us that the US had never had any colonies, apparently forgetting the fifty years The Philippines had been such a colony, also American Samoa, Puerto Rico, Guam. Alaska and Hawaii weren't yet states at that time either. I knew he was lying but you don't say so to your head master. I considered it to be political propaganda.

solarz · Jul 29, 2012

More movies made in Mainland about NRA fighting the Japanese:

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-- My Favorite of the bunch! (It's more of a Kung Fu movie than a war movie)

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I think I've made my point sufficiently clear?

solarz · Jul 29, 2012

I think it's only fair that Vincent and/or Lightspeed post a list of Taiwan-made movies that acknowledge the war efforts of the Communists. Good luck.

I remember seeing this TV series when I was young:

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In there, the communists were portrayed as brutish thugs, even as they took over Shanghai.

lightspeed · Jul 30, 2012

solarz said:
I think it's only fair that Vincent and/or Lightspeed post a list of Taiwan-made movies that acknowledge the war efforts of the Communists. Good luck.

can’t name any. most likely none.

if it is the opposite, the Communist Party of China was the Chinese National Government during the war, fought all the conventional battles everywhere across the vast land of China. i think the CCP would simply ignore the Nationalist very limited participation in the war, whom refused to fight the enemy on most occasions and fought against govt troops whenever the opportunities arise to gain more territories.

solarz · Jul 30, 2012

lightspeed said:
can’t name any. most likely none.

if it is the opposite, the Communist Party of China was the Chinese National Government during the war, fought all the conventional battles everywhere across the vast land of China. i think the CCP would simply ignore the Nationalist very limited participation in the war, whom refused to fight the enemy on most occasions and fought against govt troops whenever the opportunities arise to gain more territories.

I rest my case.

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