lightspeed
Junior Member
i believe there's a difference between bias and outright lies.
Significance of the Chinese military contribution to World War 2 disputed.
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i believe there's a difference between bias and outright lies.
solarz
Brigadier
I believe you're derailing the thread.
No he/she did not. We are discussing the accuracies of the information from mainland. If you want to discuss the trustworthiness of things from mainland, you have to keep in mind everything has to be approved by the censor. The communist has a proven history of distorting, covering and outright lying about the history. Any ration person would take whatever spew out or approved by the Chinese government with a huge grain of salt. You know what people are saying in China? Rumours aren't true until government experts come out to deny them.
I went through elementary school in China and what I learned from school is that the communist forces are the only one actually fighting the Japanese while the Nationalist army cowered in fear and run away whenever they encountered the Japanese. Even now the TV shows and movies that involved the Nationalist army (the official Chinese army at the time) aren't exactly flattering. It is a real shame because there shouldn't be distinction of communist forces or Nationalist forces. There is only the Chinese forces and people should learn what those brave men and women did to defend their country, regardless of their party affiliations.
You know that vast majority of American think China is a red communist dictatorship, where they grow their economy by force slave labor and shooting dissidents national sport. China also invaded a completely independent nation of Tibet for no reason whatsoever, it pollutes it is environment for the sake of pollution, where corruption so widely accepted that anyone don't' agree will get lock up or shot.
Yes, seriously dude, this is the impression that the American people get from watching the mainstream media. You still think this is better than direct censorships? I mean at least peple in China know they are being censored, however people in the States think they have a free media, so it MUST be true.
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Or let us talk about WW2, you are here complain that Chinese don't give enough credit to the KMT for the war effort, I agree with you. But you know what? In America, we pretty much skipped all of China's WW2 effort. When I was in World History class in high school. I believe we talk about China for about exactly 10 seconds, that they were part of the Allie force, that Japan invaded them. And it was not until we defeated the Japanese and won the war that China was finally free. I mean... that it all, all of it. We spend rest of the semester learning the heroic American landing on Normandy, the Pearl harbor attack, the pacific war. Very little mention of Russia even. When I finish the class I didn't known better, I thought that America single handedly won the war by itself.
Yep, you want to complain that Chinese don't have enough KMT credit, you know what? In the western world, no one gives China any credit whatsoever. They give no credit to KMT, they give no credit to communist, all of their millions of death and sacrifice is a footnote on the pages. Want complain about that? Or since we have a "free" media then everything is alright?
I live in both systems and I much much prefer the western version, thank you very much.
I was like you before, loved the Chinese government for what they have accomplished. After I lived in China for a few years, I got sick of the censorship, the inequality, the injustice and all the extra power and privileges the mandarins have. If you have the chance, go live there for a few years. I'll stop at that since it's off topic
Back to the Chinese forces sacrifices. Who cares what other people think? I'm a Canadian and Canadians made huge sacrifices in both world wars, yet do you hear that in the American media? At least the Canadians remember their sacrifices and honour them from time to time.
The Chinese forces was poorly trained, poorly equipped and often have to face overwhelming firepower, yet they stood their ground and fought, in many instances to the last man, knowing well ahead of time that will be the result. They traded many times of the casualties for space and time and they stopped the Japanese from taking over the entire country. If you read some of the historical books, you'll find that entire battalion or regiment sacrificed themselves so others can achieve their objectives, majors, colonels and in some cases generals stayed with their troops and died along with them. Many of them have very little training, yet they stood their ground when being pounded by artilleries/aircrafts and being charged by tanks and charged the enemy positions when commanded. Their valours are without question.
All the time I spent in China recently, I hardly see anything that commemorates their braveries and sacrifices. The only thing I came across is the restored statue in West Lake (西湖) commemorated the battle for Shanghai. I don't see students in school being taught about them. Their accomplishments are like never existed. Hell, the Canadian aren't exactly nationalistics, but I see more commemorations and celebrations of the WWI/WWII soldiers than in China (which is none). That's really pathetic and not right.
I was like you before, loved the Chinese government for what they have accomplished. After I lived in China for a few years, I got sick of the censorship, the inequality, the injustice and all the extra power and privileges the mandarins have. If you have the chance, go live there for a few years. I'll stop at that since it's off topic
Back to the Chinese forces sacrifices. Who cares what other people think? I'm a Canadian and Canadians made huge sacrifices in both world wars, yet do you hear that in the American media? At least the Canadians remember their sacrifices and honour them from time to time.
The Chinese forces was poorly trained, poorly equipped and often have to face overwhelming firepower, yet they stood their ground and fought, in many instances to the last man, knowing well ahead of time that will be the result. They traded many times of the casualties for space and time and they stopped the Japanese from taking over the entire country. If you read some of the historical books, you'll find that entire battalion or regiment sacrificed themselves so others can achieve their objectives, majors, colonels and in some cases generals stayed with their troops and died along with them. Many of them have very little training, yet they stood their ground when being pounded by artilleries/aircrafts and being charged by tanks and charged the enemy positions when commanded. Their valours are without question.
All the time I spent in China recently, I hardly see anything that commemorates their braveries and sacrifices. The only thing I came across is the restored statue in West Lake (西湖) commemorated the battle for Shanghai. I don't see students in school being taught about them. Their accomplishments are like never existed. Hell, the Canadian aren't exactly nationalistics, but I see more commemorations and celebrations of the WWI/WWII soldiers than in China (which is none). That's really pathetic and not right.
Funny, you are the one that started that argument that Chinese is not being fair to the sacrifice of KMT during the war, and this is all due to China's media censorship, then I confronted you with the fact that it is worst in the West, that almost no Chinese is being mentioned in the war in the Western world, let along fair mention whatsoever. Then you go on to your personal perference that you prefer to live in the Western world, you know what? So do I, I love to live in inside US but that does not mean I am part of the brainwashed masses here, it does not excuse the fact that Western media is horrible biased, to the points where it is just as bad as the direct censorship of China.
What you personally like or what I personally like makes no difference in this discussion whatsoever. And yes I have lived in both nation for many years, I have seen the best and the worst of both society, not one is better than the other. Both deserves blame and both deserves recognition.
Now, where is this Canadian commemoration? Is it located inside Canada??? If so, WOW what a shocker!!!. I wonder is this thign located inside USA? or on that fact, is there any commemorate memorial of Chinese people here in USA as well? If not, are you going to be fair and go on a rant of how the Western world is neglecting the role of Chinese sacrifice during the war?
You know which nation sacrifice the most during the war? I think by far it is Soviet Union, and yet, where is the memorial dedicated to Soviet Union in USA?
Want me to list more examples or you are still happy with the double standard?
Please read my post fully before replying to it. No where in my posts I complained about western media not mentioning the sacrifices Chinese made. I'm complaining the Chinese media and government not teaching the Chinese people the sacrifices their soldiers made.
I'm fine with that, but at the same time of putting down the Chinese media, you want to rise the Western nations media stand, to somehow make it seems that their media is better. And this is bullshit.
As to why Chinese media not recognizing the sacrifice of KMT, well, isn't that obvious? They lost the civil war, do you expect anything else? And the fact that the mainland media is recognizing more and more the achievement of the KMT side for the sake of unification is a right step in the process.
solarz
Brigadier
You say you've stayed in China for a few years? You've never seen these war movies?
There's a lot more, I'll add them when I have more time.
Here's a question for you: how many movies about the war efforts of the Eighth Route Army or the New Fourth Army did the Taiwanese make?