Should China respect sanctions on Iran?

Finn McCool said:

... ... evidence that the US government blocks Al Jazeera. ... ...

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If I am not wrong, ... ...

1) You are not a Muslim. And, You are not Brown.
You are not Middle Eastern looking.

2) You may be 100% Irish descendant.

3) How can you claim to know -- what exactly is like to be a Muslim born and lives in USA ??

Answer: You don't know a thing about ... ...


Let's pay attention to the real truth ... ...


4) The Keywords are: some timely services interruptions in between
-- when Muslim Media are broadcasting some nasty news that hurt you-know-who feelings.


5) You had conveniently ignored "USA Today" as a credible source.
"USA Today" is the latest source.
You just watch, there will be more and more stories coming out confirming Google is the Official Prostitute of Master Pimp you-know-who.


6) Dubya Bush stole the presidency from Al Gore in year 2000 with the help of his brother John Bush in Florida,
yet Al Gore with all the power backing of Democratic Party is NOT able to sue Dubya & John Bush.
Can you answer this ... ... Why?


7) I am sure that you are aware about ... ...

Story: How Dubya Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
Source: Guardian -- UK




:nana:
8) Don't get tired with this forum, when you can not handle the real truth.


Let's be frank.
The so-called freedom in you-know-who nation is only good and valid for the selected portion of the you-know-who population.
It is only good and valid for folks like Dubya, John Bush, Prescott Bush, Rush Limbo, and the like ... ...

Now, getting back to the main topic ... ...

Finn McCool said:

You still haven't shown one shred of evidence that the US government blocks Al Jazeera. If they did they would be sued and lose I promise you. I used to get Al Jazeera in my satellite TV package, but then I went to a cheaper one that doesn't give you all the foreign channels. You're making the assertion that Al Jazeera is blocked in the US, so you have to prove it. Instead you tell me to go door to door and ask Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan if they can get Al Jazeera all the time, which is really sort of funny to me.

Secondly the article you provided is from Pravda, which I think you have to admit isn't exactly the most reliable source. Also, half of the things that Google has done for the CIA and NSA according to that article are "providing search engine technology for databases" which basically just means that they use Google's search algorithms for a fee to search their own information. Most likely this site uses a similar type of arrangement.

At best, you've shown that Google cooperates with US intelligence agencies in the sharing of data. You haven't shown what I asked you to, which is that A) a large cyber attack on Baidu took place recently, and that B) the CIA and Google in cooperation were responsible.

I'm quite tired of people on this forum making wild assertions without any evidence.

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london newspaper reported that george bush was come close of ordering the attack al-jazzera headquarter in qatar,when tony blair persuade bush to abandone it.ironically, qatar also host USN base in the persian gulf.
China ,at the request of saude arabia,egypt,jordan and other gulf state do sever military link with iran,but not the economic.

GreenestGDP said:

If I am not wrong, ... ...

1) You are not a Muslim. And, You are not Brown.
You are not Middle Eastern looking.

2) You may be 100% Irish descendant.

3) How can you claim to know -- what exactly is like to be a Muslim born and lives in USA ??

Answer: You don't know a thing about ... ...


Let's pay attention to the real truth ... ...


4) The Keywords are: some timely services interruptions in between
-- when Muslim Media are broadcasting some nasty news that hurt you-know-who feelings.


5) You had conveniently ignored "USA Today" as a credible source.
"USA Today" is the latest source.
You just watch, there will be more and more stories coming out confirming Google is the Official Prostitute of Master Pimp you-know-who.


6) Dubya Bush stole the presidency from Al Gore in year 2000 with the help of his brother John Bush in Florida,
yet Al Gore with all the power backing of Democratic Party is NOT able to sue Dubya & John Bush.
Can you answer this ... ... Why?


7) I am sure that you are aware about ... ...

Story: How Dubya Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
Source: Guardian -- UK

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:nana:
8) Don't get tired with this forum, when you can not handle the real truth.


Let's be frank.
The so-called freedom in you-know-who nation is only good and valid for the selected portion of the you-know-who population.
It is only good and valid for folks like Dubya, John Bush, Prescott Bush, Rush Limbo, and the like ... ...

Now, getting back to the main topic ... ...

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I see Godwin's Law has come into affect.

You're right, I'm not Muslim, but that doesn't change the fact that Al Jazeera isn't blocked in the United States. You seem to be suggesting that the US government "interrupts service" when something they don't want to see on TV takes place. Those of us that live in a reality based universe realize that doesn't happen. Lots of countries do interrupt broadcasting of news outlets they find inconvenient at strategic times; for example Iran has been blocking international news sources recently during the post-election protests in that country. It doesn't fool anyone. When governments simply physically block a news source they don't like when something embarrassing happens, it's extremely obvious what's going on. If the US government blocked Al Jazeera frequently, it would be common knowledge. But guess what, Al Jazeera is broadcast in the United States just like any other expanded-package satellite TV channel.

And what does Hitler or the 2000 election have to do with anything? Why are you asking me rhetorical questions about things that don't pertain at all to anything? I could tell you that there's a mysterious brown lump in the back of my refrigerator and then ask you if you could explain that, and it would help my argument (and make about as much sense) as what you're asking me.

Also, that USA Today story is indeed true, and raises some troubling issues about the incestuous relationships between American companies and intelligence agencies. But what's at issue here is your initial assertion that the recent attacks on Google were somehow related to attacks on Baidu that you mentioned, that you claim were orchestrated by the CIA with the help of Google. That's what is at issue here. You haven't offered one shred of evidence to defend that statement, and if you don't, then I'm done with this argument, because it's devolved into silly conspiracy theories.

As far as the central question of China respecting sanctions on Iran, some newer developments have taken place. Among them, these select quotes from The Associated Press:

BEIJING — China's refusal to sign on to new sanctions against Iran risks prompting a backlash affecting its increasingly complex interests abroad, experts say.

Recent remarks by President Barack Obama citing China's opposition, and unusually tough talk from Russia — long a sanctions skeptic — has spotlighted Beijing's refusal to back such steps as a way of pressuring Iran over its nuclear program.

Nikolai Patrushev, the chief of Russia's Security Council, said Tuesday that Iran's recent actions "have raised doubts among other nations, and these doubts are quite well-founded." His comments appeared to indicate that Russia is increasingly warming up to the U.S. sanctions push.

Opposition of Iranian sanctions is part of an increasingly assertive — even aggressive — Chinese diplomacy that is drawing growing concern from Washington and in Europe.

Among steps taken, Beijing this month threatened to withhold cooperation on international issues of concern to the U.S. in retaliation over Washington's approval of a $6.4 billion arms sale to Taiwan, the self-governing island that China considers a part of its territory.

Western analysts warn, however, that such a stance risks denting China's international reputation, damaging relations with the European Union, and triggering muscular reprisals from Washington, for whom the Middle East is a foreign policy linchpin.

Among possible responses, Washington could decide to sell Taiwan even more weaponry, such as fighter aircraft that the island has requested, wrote Ralph Cossa, president of the Pacific Forum CSIS think tank, in a recent foreign policy brief

Meanwhile, Washington could dial back its willingness to ensure Chinese interests in Iraqi oil contracts and Afghan copper mining if Beijing is seen as obstructing U.S. efforts on the crucial Middle Eastern diplomatic landscape, said Georgia Tech expert John Garver.

"How can Beijing expect the U.S. to respect China's interests, when Beijing violates U.S. vital interests?" Garver said.

jantxv said:

"How can Beijing expect the U.S. to respect China's interests, when Beijing violates U.S. vital interests?" Garver said.[/I]

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LMAO!!!

I think that sentence perfectly illustrates the hypocrisy of western media.

jantxv said:

As far as the central question of China respecting sanctions on Iran, some newer developments have taken place. Among them, these select quotes from The Associated Press:

BEIJING — China's refusal to sign on to new sanctions against Iran risks prompting a backlash affecting its increasingly complex interests abroad, experts say.

Recent remarks by President Barack Obama citing China's opposition, and unusually tough talk from Russia — long a sanctions skeptic — has spotlighted Beijing's refusal to back such steps as a way of pressuring Iran over its nuclear program.

Nikolai Patrushev, the chief of Russia's Security Council, said Tuesday that Iran's recent actions "have raised doubts among other nations, and these doubts are quite well-founded." His comments appeared to indicate that Russia is increasingly warming up to the U.S. sanctions push.

Opposition of Iranian sanctions is part of an increasingly assertive — even aggressive — Chinese diplomacy that is drawing growing concern from Washington and in Europe.

Among steps taken, Beijing this month threatened to withhold cooperation on international issues of concern to the U.S. in retaliation over Washington's approval of a $6.4 billion arms sale to Taiwan, the self-governing island that China considers a part of its territory.

Western analysts warn, however, that such a stance risks denting China's international reputation, damaging relations with the European Union, and triggering muscular reprisals from Washington, for whom the Middle East is a foreign policy linchpin.

Among possible responses, Washington could decide to sell Taiwan even more weaponry, such as fighter aircraft that the island has requested, wrote Ralph Cossa, president of the Pacific Forum CSIS think tank, in a recent foreign policy brief

Meanwhile, Washington could dial back its willingness to ensure Chinese interests in Iraqi oil contracts and Afghan copper mining if Beijing is seen as obstructing U.S. efforts on the crucial Middle Eastern diplomatic landscape, said Georgia Tech expert John Garver.

"How can Beijing expect the U.S. to respect China's interests, when Beijing violates U.S. vital interests?" Garver said.

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the newspaper failed to mention it was saude arabia military purchased worth more than $1 billion finally persuade russia to join the "sanction".report deal include helos,T-80 tank ship...etc. i saude really wanted China to join sanction,saude could cut off oil supply to taiwan. forcing TW reunification talk with china.

If Russia can be bought for just $1 billion, China could throw $800 billion US treasury notes to their face. There are a lot of things that money cannot buy.

Russia wants Iran to be more transparent about its nuclear activities:
and . Russia's goals for Iran are nothing new. Russia has been telling Iran to be more law abiding for a LONG, LONG time. Russia is playing its typical good cop, bad cop routine. The US media is hyping up common problems in Russian-Iranian relations.

Russia is also negotiating more trade with the EU, and Russia is promoting its new military policy, which calls for modernization and the use of attacks and nuclear weapons to defeat possible attacks, whether conventional or nuclear.

So far, Russia doesn't seem intent on fully sanctioning Iran or accepting an attack on Iran.

Infra_Man99 said:

Russia has been telling Iran to be more law abiding for a LONG, LONG time.

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What law or treaty has Iran been violating? Under NPT, peaceful use of nuclear energy is an inalienable right, which includes the development of fuel cycle. Iran is perfectly within its right to enrich uranium to 20%, which is not even close to bomb grade (90% plus).

There is accusation of a possible bomb program, but there is no real evidence. Unless IAEA made a determination to that Iran is developing nuclear weapon, there is no factual basis for sanction. The West has no creditability over this, not when they screwed up, by intent or incompetence, over the WMD in Iraq.

lol we'll see what comes out of the recent huge round of US diplomacy campaigns in the middle east. i am pretty damn sure that adm mullen went to israel to tell bibby that the US will NOT stipulate armed aggression against iran of any sort. and what message is hillary clinton sending when she tries to convince saudi and UAE to sell more oil to China anyways? that when she wanted she can also tell them to sell less? that might not be the case but it can certainly be perceived the wrong way. i think the this political deadlock will prolly end up in a watered down version of sanction against iran. the biggest beneficiary? russia. the one thing the west is hoping for beyond all is a regime change in iran, though that does not seem very likely for the time being.

the problem is still that the west is not doing enough to convince China that it can benefit from not supporting tehran. a "long term benefit" is far from enough, if i were the Chinese leadership i wouldnt accept that one, let alone amid one of those chaotic phases of the Sino-US relationship.

i read earlier in nytimes that tehran was talkin to tokyo about a possible transfer of nuclear technology in exchange for the cancellation of its project. not sure why that's not floating around anymore, could be because of iran's internal situation.