AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
This is all smoke and mirrors. If the West was serious about stopping Iran from getting nukes, then why do they focus on China? You can read the media themselves write about how all of Iran's nuclear power plants are from Russia. China's energy deals with Iran that would make it their no1 customer are at its infancy. Until they mature Japan's Iranian deals are no.1. You don't hear about Japan supporting evil regimes, do you?
The most realistic potential is Israel striking Iran on its own and destabilizing Western economies much further because of what it'll do to Middle East politics and world oil markets. Concentrating on China is a side benefit. If China goes along with sanctions and it doesn't work, China will lose the most from it. If it does work, the West benefits because they believe they'll get a pro-West government that works to their interests which will be against China's. This is about how Western countries will suffer the most if the most likely scenario of Israel striking Iran happens. China going along with sanctions doesn't guarantee that will stop it from happening.
It's clear that the West wants to stifle Chinese competition in all facets. It's like with the tsunami that struck Southeast Asia. Western countries and their allies laughed at China's inability to bring in emergency humanitarian aid relief. Now China has been sending warships to the Gulf of Aden, a sign of China overcoming logistical challenges that include emergency aid relief. But they're alarmed at that too. There were also a couple stories from the media that said there were those in the US government that were outraged that China landed in Haiti with a rescue team before the US.
They don't want China to sell J-10s to Iran... why? If you want to believe all the machismo, J-10s are just target practice for the West. Don't they want Iran to waste money on inferior Chinese fighters they can easily handle? And Israel should beat them even more because it's their Lavi. The contradictions put a big question mark to all the grand talk. China has to overcome the prejudice of their products. Just imagine if a J-10 shoots down just one modern Western fighter in the hands of one of their customers. Russian fighters in the hands of one of their customers up against a Western fighter don't have a good record. That's a game changer. That's why they don't want China to sell any J-10s to anyone. A fighter that can shoot down a modern Western fighter at half the cost of the competition's... You'll have Western allies buying J-10s.
There's a story that some Western diplomat privately asked the Chinese unofficially what would it take for China to go along with sanctions on Iran. The Chinese responded, "Find us another source for oil." Since we haven't seen any oil deal with China from the West and their allies, they apparently are unable or won't follow through. Just as the West is heavily influence by the geo-politics of oil, so is China. But of course China is not allowed to make the same excuses, so they instead paint China as in league with extremist unstable elements in the world bent on changing it to their diabolical favor.
Iran for China is a big question mark too but not for that same reasons as the West. The opposition stirring up trouble for the present Iranian regime has expressed its anti-China sentiments for congratulating Ahmadinejad in the last election. Makes you wonder if the recent cyberattack on a Chinese media website by self-proclaimed Iranian nationalists was ochestrated by outside forces to get China to be suspicious of Iran.
The fact is what the West wants to be done to Iran is what many Westerners want to do to China. So why help advance a war of attrition that eventually will come around to being waged on China? You can forget about good will gestures and mutual respect. The Chinese will never get it from the West. So if the West wants China to follow along, then you pay up. It's that simple. But the problem is the West overvalues itself. Because Obama delayed a meeting with the Dalai Lama and did not mention human rights on his trip to China somehow China is suppose to give blind obedience in return including going along with sanctions on Iran. They think that's an equal or even a generous trade in China's favor. The Western media depicts a carried-out threat of a pull out of Google from China will follow with the collapse of China. If that's true, why haven't they done this earlier? The West doesn't even offer some of the most superficial things that apparently Beijing values like a partnership in the International Space Station. China can build its own space station and get more value from it in the end but Beijing too falls into the trap of status symbols. But some won't give up the things that others want just to believe they're in power. That's why it won't be offered especially when they need something from China in exchange.
So if Iranian sanctions were that important, wouldn't they offer something better other than not saying anything bad about China for a day or two in exchange?
The most realistic potential is Israel striking Iran on its own and destabilizing Western economies much further because of what it'll do to Middle East politics and world oil markets. Concentrating on China is a side benefit. If China goes along with sanctions and it doesn't work, China will lose the most from it. If it does work, the West benefits because they believe they'll get a pro-West government that works to their interests which will be against China's. This is about how Western countries will suffer the most if the most likely scenario of Israel striking Iran happens. China going along with sanctions doesn't guarantee that will stop it from happening.
It's clear that the West wants to stifle Chinese competition in all facets. It's like with the tsunami that struck Southeast Asia. Western countries and their allies laughed at China's inability to bring in emergency humanitarian aid relief. Now China has been sending warships to the Gulf of Aden, a sign of China overcoming logistical challenges that include emergency aid relief. But they're alarmed at that too. There were also a couple stories from the media that said there were those in the US government that were outraged that China landed in Haiti with a rescue team before the US.
They don't want China to sell J-10s to Iran... why? If you want to believe all the machismo, J-10s are just target practice for the West. Don't they want Iran to waste money on inferior Chinese fighters they can easily handle? And Israel should beat them even more because it's their Lavi. The contradictions put a big question mark to all the grand talk. China has to overcome the prejudice of their products. Just imagine if a J-10 shoots down just one modern Western fighter in the hands of one of their customers. Russian fighters in the hands of one of their customers up against a Western fighter don't have a good record. That's a game changer. That's why they don't want China to sell any J-10s to anyone. A fighter that can shoot down a modern Western fighter at half the cost of the competition's... You'll have Western allies buying J-10s.
There's a story that some Western diplomat privately asked the Chinese unofficially what would it take for China to go along with sanctions on Iran. The Chinese responded, "Find us another source for oil." Since we haven't seen any oil deal with China from the West and their allies, they apparently are unable or won't follow through. Just as the West is heavily influence by the geo-politics of oil, so is China. But of course China is not allowed to make the same excuses, so they instead paint China as in league with extremist unstable elements in the world bent on changing it to their diabolical favor.
Iran for China is a big question mark too but not for that same reasons as the West. The opposition stirring up trouble for the present Iranian regime has expressed its anti-China sentiments for congratulating Ahmadinejad in the last election. Makes you wonder if the recent cyberattack on a Chinese media website by self-proclaimed Iranian nationalists was ochestrated by outside forces to get China to be suspicious of Iran.
The fact is what the West wants to be done to Iran is what many Westerners want to do to China. So why help advance a war of attrition that eventually will come around to being waged on China? You can forget about good will gestures and mutual respect. The Chinese will never get it from the West. So if the West wants China to follow along, then you pay up. It's that simple. But the problem is the West overvalues itself. Because Obama delayed a meeting with the Dalai Lama and did not mention human rights on his trip to China somehow China is suppose to give blind obedience in return including going along with sanctions on Iran. They think that's an equal or even a generous trade in China's favor. The Western media depicts a carried-out threat of a pull out of Google from China will follow with the collapse of China. If that's true, why haven't they done this earlier? The West doesn't even offer some of the most superficial things that apparently Beijing values like a partnership in the International Space Station. China can build its own space station and get more value from it in the end but Beijing too falls into the trap of status symbols. But some won't give up the things that others want just to believe they're in power. That's why it won't be offered especially when they need something from China in exchange.
So if Iranian sanctions were that important, wouldn't they offer something better other than not saying anything bad about China for a day or two in exchange?
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