Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

TK3600

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Muskets are still called muskets. We didn’t change the name to assault rifle (or even just rifle) when something newer came along and changed tactics and doctrine. Rifles themselves started out as ‘rifled muskets’ and ‘rifled repeating muskets’. Canons on the other hand are still called cannons, and come in both smoothbore and rifled varieties.
Musket is a gun and will continue to be a gun. Gun is a generic name, same as fighter. Incidentally P-47 is refered to as fighter. Your point is invalid.

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This is a fighter, and refered to as a fighter.

Your only plausible argumemt was the P designation, yet it was soon renamed to F-47 for fighter. Your very own example prove you wrong.

Throughout history the term fighter remained after much bigger change than 6th gen. I see no reason to change now.

They will all still be called fighters, because that’s what they are or were. It will be a historical reference point.
Except these planes are fighter from start and stay that way. Musket will never be renamed to rifle.
When there is no longer a distinction between F, B, A, R, SR, E, and the majority of airframes and doctrines reflect this - is when designations will start to change. And whoever gets there first, can define or call it whatever they want. Neither you nor I get to choose.
Umlike US, China has only used "J" designation for fighter. And if it continue to be J, you shall refer to it as a fighter. Are you betting against this very high possibility?
 

polati

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I thought that picture was presumed fake? It doesn't make sense how the plane is shaped like that / has a rounded tail end
 

Totoro

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IIRC, that image preceded J36 images and was considered fake initially. but once J36 flew and we got all sorts of images, better SAC plane images pretty much matched the plane shape seen in this initial image. So maybe now the image is regarded as legit after all.
 

wuguanhui

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If the J-20 is primarily an air superiority fighter, the J-35 also seems to be principally intended for air superiority, and the new J-36, a [choose pronoun] fighter (but basically air superiority), that's a whole lot of air superiority platforms.

The PLA will eventually need a new stealth aircraft to fill the role of naval strike. They can't just rely entirely on ballistic missiles, drones and the H-20 for all bombing needs. I think the SAC plane is a JH and is going to replace the JH-7 and flankers in their respective roles.
 

Biscuits

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If the J-20 is primarily an air superiority fighter, the J-35 also seems to be principally intended for air superiority, and the new J-36, a [choose pronoun] fighter (but basically air superiority), that's a whole lot of air superiority platforms.

The PLA will eventually need a new stealth aircraft to fill the role of naval strike. They can't just rely entirely on ballistic missiles, drones and the H-20 for all bombing needs. I think the SAC plane is a JH and is going to replace the JH-7 and flankers in their respective roles.
J-36 is more like an airspace penetration aircraft, what it does once inside is variable as not as important as the action of entering undetected through 1st or 1.5th tier air defenses itself.

It can both do ground/surface strike and air assassination. It can also simply fly as an undetected Awacs and transmit data to the main fleet.

Saying it's air superiority is very reductive. I'd at the very least expect it to be the main SEAD against the best air defenses in a major war.
 

Atomicfrog

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J-36 is more like an airspace penetration aircraft, what it does once inside is variable as not as important as the action of entering undetected through 1st or 1.5th tier air defenses itself.

It can both do ground/surface strike and air assassination. It can also simply fly as an undetected Awacs and transmit data to the main fleet.

Saying it's air superiority is very reductive. I'd at the very least expect it to be the main SEAD against the best air defenses in a major war.
Indeed, seeing fighters vs fighters as the main role is a bit out of tracks.

If it go that far in airspace penetration, assassination of tanker and awacs could decimate entire fighter airwings without even engaging them over the pacific... Defensive wise, with nearest bases covered, the US without tankers are sitting ducks against China.
 
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