Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

Alfa_Particle

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This is how big the J-XS would have to be... if its internal bay was as large as the J-36's main internal bay:

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This is how big the J-XS will be... if its internal bay was only as large as the J-20's main internal bay:

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If we assume the J-XS is only as large as a J-20, then its internal bay is not going to be any larger than the J-20 internal bay. Expecting the J-XS to carry PL-17 is not realistic. In fact, I don't think the J-XS can even replace a J-15T. It will not be able to internally carry large missiles that are mounted externally on a J-15T.
Sure, let's ignore how the image of the J-36 was taken from an angle. Let's ignore my main point, which is how the rest of the IWB DOESN'T need to be as long, only the centre does.

By the way, the J-20's IWB hatches are noticeably longer than 4 metres (closer to 5). The IWB itself is shorter.

Think about this, if your scale is true, then the J-XD-S' engines (hypothesised to be WS-15s) are significantly shorter than the AL-31Fs. Then your scale falls apart because that's obviously not true.

And I forgot to mention, IIRC the yellow outline instead is the length of the J-20's IWB in the drawing as reference. The blue outline is longer. Your lines are wrong.

If we assume the J-XS is only as large as a J-20
Which is obviously not true now, is it? Previous imagery showed that it's as big as a Flanker.


Regardless of how detectable HVTs are by friendly AWACS, I think in many situations, most HVTs will not be placed at ranges to really threatened them. They might be kept 500 miles or more away from the front.

The big benefit of VL-AAM is that they will stretch the logistic and support lines for the opposing side. No one is going to be flying non-stealthy tanker 300 miles near potential enemy fighters.
And with more powerful transceivers modules being made, AWACS from all sides (with their giant flashlight sensor) will still remain far back behind the frontlines.

Range--away from the frontlines--will protect most HVTs, limiting the number of kills VL-AAMs might achieve. But I guess that alone is success for these missiles.

I don't want to derail this thread anymore.
Those are very ideal assumptions. A shame that real life isn't ideal.
 

CannedFish

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And like I wrote, those CCA drones can be destroyed by whatever targets they are tracking.
And pray tell, how is this different from 5th gen or even 4th gen air combat? You say this as if they do not do the same thing.
The kill-chain for PL-17 and other very long range AAMs can easily be disrupted or broken.
As easy as how any other kill chain can be disrupted, you mean. You think CCAs are just sitting there waiting to get destroyed?
And if you are going to fly in CCA close to the frontlines to detect targets, why not arm them with missiles to get the job done.
My brother in Christ, are you daft? That's literally the case.
The point is if your CCAs are destroyed and the target/boogie is still flying and closing in, are you going to turn around and high-tail from the battle?
I hope not because then why would you even exist and carry MR-AAM and SR-AAM.
The point is to have them there to shoot at the enemy when they are getting close. Never heard of how 5th gens fight? If your missiles don't hit, run away to fight another day. Same concept here but with a longer stick, more missiles and more options.
Air battles will be more complex and have more tactics than what I'm making it to be but this is just the basics.
Well, you really sound like you don't understand them to be frank. Like you don't even know AWACs, dedicated sensor drones or even CCAs with missiles exist.

It doesn't matter if the enemy can disrupt your kill chain, the very fact they HAVE to disrupt it is the point. The guy with the bigger stick wins. If you just keep huddling about as if that doesn't matter, then when the day comes, you'll be taking hits before you can hit back.

V I see your comment below this, you're great at wasting ppl's time, just so you know.
 
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Kich

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Not going to reply anymore and start a back and forth since it will derail this thread and get shut by the mods.
 
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