Shenyang next gen combat aircraft thread

[taxiya]

Yes, the inlets are position so much in the back serious limit the weapon bay size.
This baffles me as if J-XS is a Su-27 aerodynamic reincarnation into tailless six-gen design.

Su-27's aerodynamic uniqueness compared to its conteperary counterparts like F-15 is its space between the two engines. It is more appropriatie to call F-15 a reincarnation to Su-27 if you have to stick to your point.

The "far back placed inlets" (also the wing being far at back) is simply the demand for high speed flight, for that purpose any aircraft would have to do it. What is the fantacy of one thing must be a reincarnation of anything?

Hold my beer
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You do have a unique imagination so much so that everyting looks related.

 

[sequ]

Hold my beer
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IMO J-50 will have an empty weight of less than 20 tons without much trouble.

While it has bigger wings, the wings don't need to be as strong and thus as heavy as previous fighters because these NG fighter won't be carrying combatload under their wings and they are also not designed to do dogfights.

Despite being a larger aircraft volume wise than the J-20, it'll be relatively lighter.

 

[Schwerter_]

Hold my beer
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Just a heads up, aerodynamics doesn’t work that way.

Not to mention this is operating on pictures that are not properly scaled nor accurate (flanker is a relatively poor lineart of an pretty early production model, J20 most likely is larger than real life since in your comparison it would be around 22m, and as for the J-CDS you’re using a drawing that were not sure is accurate)

 

[Nx4eu]

I like how my drawing that I posted on another forum is now being passed around as if it were an accurate representation even when I acknowledged it's shortcomings with scale and size on certain parts.

 

[Alfa_Particle]

IMO J-50 will have an empty weight of less than 20 tons without much trouble.

This I agree with. You gotta remember the ridiculous wizardry SAC did with additive manufacturing and composites on the J-35. And it's extremely likely that they've improved on that even more.

While it has bigger wings, the wings don't need to be as strong and thus as heavy as previous fighters because these NG fighter won't be carrying combatload under their wings and they are also not designed to do dogfights.

However, considering SAC opted for a lambda wing configuration with AMWs, TVC, and God-knows-how-many-hidden-individual-control-surfaces, I don't think they're neglecting supermaneuverability. In fact, this thing has the potential to be even more maneuverable than existing supermaneuverable fighters.

The AMLs already require the wings to be extremely structurally sound, having external hardpoints or not. They'll need to be just as strong, if not stronger (I'm leaning toward the latter).

 

[sus2024]

Hold my beer
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So? Does the aerodynamic layout bear any resemblance to the SU-27? And it's just a conceptual drawing, you don't know the real size either, the reference line looks professional but means nothing

 

[Nx4eu]

If you're going to use my drawing. Use this one, it has much better scale.

 

[talonn]

If you're going to use my drawing. Use this one, it has much better scale.
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May I suggest to put a big watermark in case someone uses and claims it as official source from PLA

 

[Nx4eu]

May I suggest to put a big watermark in case someone uses and claims it as official source from PLA

I'm not a huge fan of watermarking my drawings as it's just a estimation of a an aircraft, I also purposely left it blank as a sort of template if you want to speculate things like possible weapons bay configurations and such, a large watermark would be really annoying. I'm just hopeful people on this forum are mature enough not to purposely spread misinformation but obviously that's just wishful thinking, this is why I don't enjoy platforms like twitter where it's usually a lot of misinformation and twisted truths. Audiences on twitter are awfully uninformed so I think as long as we all keep a gentlemen's agreement to keep posts on the forums, it'll be fine. But of course I'm mostly talking about you lurkers who are on the forum, that don't interact here, don't have an account, and may be prone to spread things.

 

[minime]

So? Does the aerodynamic layout bear any resemblance to the SU-27? And it's just a conceptual drawing, you don't know the real size either, the reference line looks professional but means nothing

It's not exact but it does represent the position of the inlet relative to the fuselage none the less.
The design choice is obvious:
Sacrifice the internal weapon bay size which mind you is significant for stealth fighter for some aerodynamic choice.
The gap between the weapon bay is further back up this idea.

Somehow these traits are similar to Su-27 which shown on my comparison picture.