Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

latenlazy said:

Careful, I didn't say that the entire East Asia would be against China. I'm saying that the PLA needs to hedge for that possibility. As of right now China doesn't have many actual "friends" in the region, as much as a bunch of frenemies. Its relationship with its neighboring countries still hasn't been clearly defined yet.

There's no guarantee of conflict, but it's the uncertainty of potential conflict that makes armament necessary. For China strengthening their military quicker than their neighbors is the best way to minimize that uncertainty of conflict by keeping absolute superiority.

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vesicles said:

I don't understand why people keep thinking the entire East Asia will be against China. Afterall, these are China's neighbors. It would be insane for anyone to think that China would be completely annihilated. So even China loses in a future conflict, these small nations will still have to deal with China, a HUGE nation sitting next to their door step. It would be much easier for China to harass them than the US to protect them. The harassment, of course, would include everything from military, social, to economical. It would be a nightmare for everyone involved, including China. However, if China is bent to avenge its defeat and is willing to absorb financial losses, those small Asian nations will have some difficult days ahead of them. China can't do anything to the US, but can easily do whatever it wants to these small nations in Asia. We all know how difficult it would be to live with a neighbor who has a grudge with you, let alone a neighbor that is at least 10-20 times bigger than you...

I think what most of these nations are doing now is to get the most benefit possible from both the US and China by pitting one against the other. When both biggies want bigger influence in the area and want to ally with you, you can negotiate better deals and get bigger interests. At the end of the day, no one is actually looking to help another nation. what every nation is doing is to maximize their own interest.

Unless they are attacked and have no choice but to ally with someone, they will most likely stay out of the fight. And once the fight is over, they will be friends with both again. Think about what you would do if you saw a grizzly bear fighting a Siberian tiger while hiking in the mountains. Would you jump in and help one of them, or would you stay behind and watch? I know what I would do: stay far away and watch.

I've mentioned this before and I'll say it again here. Asia does not hate China!!! There is NO hatred of any kind between China and Asia. SK, Japan and those ASEAN nations are NOT planning to destroy China whenever they get an opportunity. Yes, they may have some grudges and some disagreements, but nothing more than what neighboring countries anywhere on this planet are experiencing. If anything, there is probably more grudges between the UK and France than anything between China and the rest of Asia. DO NOT make it sound like the entire Asia will jump on China's throat whenever they see fit!!!

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jackliu said:

I think US has done a very good job at trashing China's image, instead of associated it with economic growth, Confucius or just Chinese culture things, they have associated China with, Tibet, human right problems etc... Unfortunately this is how China is being perceived by people that knows very little of China.

Also the fact that US has been the big dog for so long, it will take some time for them to get use to another power. I mean I remember when Qing dynasty was weak, many of the Chinese vessel stick by China until China can't protect them anymore, if they were using logic and reason, they would have abandon China long before that.

And this island dispute does not help China's image at all, China can't back down due to the the opinion from their own population, and if they use force they will suffer internationally. Things will get tough for China in the upcoming years. I think this is actually China's rite of passage anyway.

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vesicles said:

I don't understand why people keep thinking the entire East Asia will be against China. Afterall, these are China's neighbors. It would be insane for anyone to think that China would be completely annihilated. So even China loses in a future conflict, these small nations will still have to deal with China, a HUGE nation sitting next to their door step. It would be much easier for China to harass them than the US to protect them. The harassment, of course, would include everything from military, social, to economical. It would be a nightmare for everyone involved, including China. However, if China is bent to avenge its defeat and is willing to absorb financial losses, those small Asian nations will have some difficult days ahead of them. China can't do anything to the US, but can easily do whatever it wants to these small nations in Asia. We all know how difficult it would be to live with a neighbor who has a grudge with you, let alone a neighbor that is at least 10-20 times bigger than you...

I think what most of these nations are doing now is to get the most benefit possible from both the US and China by pitting one against the other. When both biggies want bigger influence in the area and want to ally with you, you can negotiate better deals and get bigger interests. At the end of the day, no one is actually looking to help another nation. what every nation is doing is to maximize their own interest.

Unless they are attacked and have no choice but to ally with someone, they will most likely stay out of the fight. And once the fight is over, they will be friends with both again. Think about what you would do if you saw a grizzly bear fighting a Siberian tiger while hiking in the mountains. Would you jump in and help one of them, or would you stay behind and watch? I know what I would do: stay far away and watch.

I've mentioned this before and I'll say it again here. Asia does not hate China!!! There is NO hatred of any kind between China and Asia. SK, Japan and those ASEAN nations are NOT planning to destroy China whenever they get an opportunity. Yes, they may have some grudges and some disagreements, but nothing more than what neighboring countries anywhere on this planet are experiencing. If anything, there is probably more grudges between the UK and France than anything between China and the rest of Asia. DO NOT make it sound like the entire Asia will jump on China's throat whenever they see fit!!!

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jobjed said:

Umm... I can assure you there is severe friction between China and the rest of Asia. I won't go into too much detail, but I'll give you a few examples; Race riots in Indonesia against Chinese immigrants, war with Vietnam still impact heavily on each population's opinions of the other, distrust of Russia even though right now business means they cooperate, severe hatred of Japanese by Chinese (don't deny it, go on ChinaSmack to read some examples), disdain of Koreans by Chinese due to Koreans claiming Chinese achievements as their own (Korea went to the UN to 'validate' that sticky rice dumplings originated in Korea, also claims Mao Zedong was Korean), mutual racism between India and China; for the Indians, Chinese are aggressive, uncivilised and inferior; for the Chinese, Indians are stupid, dirty and smelly. As you can see, behind the courteous diplomacy of ASEAN and UN meetings, decades and centuries of history has built up a long list of hostile views between Asian countries; Korea, Japan and China is the East Asian hate triangle. As many grudges France and England have at each other, I doubt any one of them would send troops to the other and massacre civilians, rape and do live vivisection on medical subjects like Japan did to China and Korea. The situation in Asia is a precarious one, especially with a rising China.

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hmmwv said:

Don't worry about money, I fully believe this is a project with strong PLAAF backing, besides, XAC and SAC have been milking Boeing/Airbus for years now they are not exactly broke.

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jobjed said:

Umm... I can assure you there is severe friction between China and the rest of Asia. I won't go into too much detail, but I'll give you a few examples; Race riots in Indonesia against Chinese immigrants, war with Vietnam still impact heavily on each population's opinions of the other, distrust of Russia even though right now business means they cooperate, severe hatred of Japanese by Chinese (don't deny it, go on ChinaSmack to read some examples), disdain of Koreans by Chinese due to Koreans claiming Chinese achievements as their own (Korea went to the UN to 'validate' that sticky rice dumplings originated in Korea, also claims Mao Zedong was Korean), mutual racism between India and China; for the Indians, Chinese are aggressive, uncivilised and inferior; for the Chinese, Indians are stupid, dirty and smelly. As you can see, behind the courteous diplomacy of ASEAN and UN meetings, decades and centuries of history has built up a long list of hostile views between Asian countries; Korea, Japan and China is the East Asian hate triangle. As many grudges France and England have at each other, I doubt any one of them would send troops to the other and massacre civilians, rape and do live vivisection on medical subjects like Japan did to China and Korea. The situation in Asia is a precarious one, especially with a rising China.

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Air Force Brat said:

Come on back on the plantation here guys, ... so player you've heard the first flight is to be in September? Its always easier to find resources with a flying prototype.

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Player99 said:

Yes, I read it on a few occasions, of course, nothing official. Let's hope it'll turn out to be true. We really need something new to get busy and excited again.

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