Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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tidalwave

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Please stop with this: posting any random image with a sensational claim while NOTHING - in fact not the slightest bit of evidence - point towards your claim.

Indeed, we are not any random fan-boy forum where Sina-reported over-hyped claims are presented as facts. So, either explain why you think this could be the WS-19 even if all information we have say clearly, this engine is not ready, and even less likely already flying on two operational JF-17s or leave such BS.

So , you telling me that picture is fake.

anyway, here's designer yang's quote. China already mastered thrust vectoring completely and can implemented into any air fighters. Also, recently alot of change to the JF-17, putting in aesa, dual seat and could very well putting in a new engine. The pic shown may not be the existing operational JF17.
Existing operational ones are in Pakistan hand and the developmental ones are in China hands.
而歼20总设计师杨伟在新闻发布会上也进一步指出:中国已经完全掌握了矢量发动机的系列化应用,将来任何一款战斗机只要有需要都可以进行矢量化改造

if I am wrong that J31 version 3.0 with WS19 in late 2019 or early 2020, I give you $20.
 
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ougoah

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Tidalwave perhaps you will be proven right. But that could be purely due to coincidence. Please back up your assertions with some reasoning. Those pictures are of what exactly? They don't look like JF-17s and definitely are not J-31s. The contrails do not prove TVC and nothing indicates WS-19. Please give some more substance before posting yet another pretty wild piece of conjecture.
 

tidalwave

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Tidalwave perhaps you will be proven right. But that could be purely due to coincidence. Please back up your assertions with some reasoning. Those pictures are of what exactly? They don't look like JF-17s and definitely are not J-31s. The contrails do not prove TVC and nothing indicates WS-19. Please give some more substance before posting yet another pretty wild piece of conjecture.
When you analyze something you have to look at the big picture or background too much microanalysis like some of you folks is not good. Background info: WS15 is almost ready, J10 with TVC engine, the breakthrough with the single crystal blade, so China engine tech is ripe for something like WS19.
Unlike few years back, too hypes and speculation that leads to disappoint ment.
With that big picture,the Chinese article said that's WS19 fitted into JF17 doing the fallen leaf , spiral twist maneuver that requires TVC.
A number articles feel very confident j31 with WS19 will debut in late 2019.
With the big picture in mind , so I go with my hunch that could be done. It certainly not a wild conjecture like you claimed.
 

Deino

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So , you telling me that picture is fake.

anyway, here's designer yang's quote. China already mastered thrust vectoring completely and can implemented into any air fighters. Also, recently alot of change to the JF-17, putting in aesa, dual seat and could very well putting in a new engine. The pic shown may not be the existing operational JF17.
Existing operational ones are in Pakistan hand and the developmental ones are in China hands.
而歼20总设计师杨伟在新闻发布会上也进一步指出:中国已经完全掌握了矢量发动机的系列化应用,将来任何一款战斗机只要有需要都可以进行矢量化改造

if I am wrong that J31 version 3.0 with WS19 in late 2019 or early 2020, I give you $20.

No, it is not a fake but you are dead wrong with your conclusion and even if I don't know there's surely a much easier different explanation for this ... IMO never ever this is a TVC-contrail and even less from a WS-19.

By point is, you are simply connecting dots only in a way you like to see them: YEs, there is the TVC being tested on the J-10B but this is a WS-10B-3 and not a completely new engine on a JF-17. AESA, twin-seater and new systems are indeed correct, but they are in no way related to the WS-19 and again ALL reports say, the WS-19 is far from ready.

When you analyze something you have to look at the big picture or background too much microanalysis like some of you folks is not good. .

Pardon, but this is plain stupid .... exactly the contrary; You MUST look on the details what in fact you do.

Fact is there are two JF-17s with some smoke contrails in the background, yes, they do not fit a regular manoeuvre, but to analyse, this must be proof for a WS-19 equipped with TVC is so far off that it is already ridiculous.

Background info: WS15 is almost ready, J10 with TVC engine, the breakthrough with the single crystal blade, so China engine tech is ripe for
something like WS19.
Unlike few years back, too hypes and speculation that leads to disappoint ment.
With that big picture,the Chinese article said that's WS19 fitted into JF17 doing the fallen leaf , spiral twist maneuver that requires TVC.
A number articles feel very confident j31 with WS19 will debut in late 2019.
With the big picture in mind , so I go with my hunch that could be done. It certainly not a wild conjecture like you claimed.

Again ... let's do a fact check:

WS15 is almost ready - WRONG
J10 with TVC engine - YES, but irrelevant to WS-19
the breakthrough with the single crystal blade, so China engine tech is ripe for something like WS19 - Maybe, but never ever a proof for two operational WS-19, when all other reports say the contrary.

Also, what report says "the Chinese article said that's WS19 fitted into JF17 doing the fallen leaf , spiral twist maneuver that requires TVC."??? You give no quote, no link, no source, only an image that does not even mention the WS-19 but for you it is almost a confirmation.

Come on ... that's indeed nothing but pathetic.
 

Deino

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I don't care about JF-17, but these two are equipped with thrust vectoring WS19 engines which will be used in the J31 stealth fighter. The caption on the picture.

By the way, as I expected ... from yet another stupid SINO-link:

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Honestly, this post reminds to this other strange poster, who constantly posts any BS from SINA at Huitong's blog ranging from "new strategic stealthy supersonic ALCM confirmed", "WS-15 is in mass-production", "finally KJ-3000 spotted" and other pure nonsense. This has exactly the same level.


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Like I said ... BS from SINA.

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gelgoog

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Well engines aren't LEGOs.
The turbine does not even have the same dimensions.

(Well to a degree you can add or remove stages but not change fan diameters and things like that easily).
 

Air Force Brat

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Have you ever seen any aircraft engine's exhaust being that kind of thick smoke?

Air show "smoke generators", specifically to show exactly what you see in the picture, they track the aircrafts path and illustrate the "air flow" over and around the aircraft, as well as aircraft "trajectory"....... very kool, does anyone have the video to match that photo?
 
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