Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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Deino

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"Heavy" as in anything other than Maverick-type or C-701-class missiles. The NSM (or PLAN equivalent) and similar missiles should fit quite nicely in the weapons bay of the FC-31.

I'd also imagine that it wouldn't be too difficult to develop an anti-ship variant of the GB-6A powered glide munition, up to four of which could theoretically be loaded into the FC-31.


Again ... and You believe that promo-video ??? Come on: How should four GB-6A powered glide munitions fit that bay ???
Anyone who believes in this is either stupid or has smoked some certain herbs too much.

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SinoSoldier

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Again ... and You believe that promo-video ??? Come on: How should four GB-6A powered glide munitions fit that bay ???
Anyone who believes in this is either stupid or has smoked some certain herbs too much.

Is there anything to refute that the FC-31 is capable of carrying 4x 500 kg class weapons? The video made no mention of how heavy or large the air-to-surface missiles must be.
 

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You said in the bay ? Or I misunderstood You ?? If YES, then I'm sorry.

IMO 4x 500kg is more than possible ... but not in the bays.

Again, Sorry if I got You wrong.

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SinoSoldier

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You said in the bay ? Or I misunderstood You ?? If YES, then I'm sorry.

IMO 4x 500kg is more than possible ... but not in the bays.

Again, Sorry if I got You wrong.

Deino

No; I meant internally in the bays. Unless there is clear evidence that the FC-31 cannot carry 2 tons of armament within the weapons bays, there is no reason to brush off a promotional video from SAC.
 

kwaigonegin

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Who knows by that time the Liaoning and Shandong could become large LHD or drone ships after their days as a fix wing aircraft carriers are over.

Yup .. Who knows what the future holds. I think that military aviation will take a fundamental leap in both capabilities and traditionall,thinking over the next 2 decades as drones become more and more capable.

The apogee of this technology is the day when a fully automated AI drone can dogfight and win over a human pilot. That's when we start worrying
 

vesicles

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In all seriousness the day will come in the not so distant future where we have to decide if the AI should autonomously fire at human targets based on it's own programming and algorithms.

To be serious, I don't think it will be a huge issue. Establishing settings that define the rules of engagement will eliminate most of the worries. The activities of the machines can be monitored at all times by human operators who can choose to take over if they want to.

One of the biggest worries would be decision making. Whether to pull the trigger under certain conditions? Many believe that human operators are better. That may not be the case. We humans make mistakes. We miscalculate and misread situations, especially when under stress. This becomes especially the case when our own lives are being threatened. Many mistakes are then made, such as friendly fire and causing collateral damage to civilians.

Sending machines in, on the other hand, could potentially eliminate these issues. Just think about it. You send a few machines in. No human lives on your side will be in danger. You won't be as stressed. When you mass produce those AI's, their cost won't be too high either. Then you can establish a very tight settings for your AIs, which means they would have to make absolutely sure who and what they are shooting at. For instance, the AIs must make 100% confirmation of the humans before opening fire, even when their own safety is threatened. Thus, eliminating friendly fire and less collateral damage on opposing civilians. Let's face it. We can never make this kind of demand on our own soldiers. Can you imagine telling your troops that they have to be 100% sure who and what is coming at them before opening fire even when their own lives are threatened? We can however make such demand to AIs.

Let's then move a step further. Imagine both sides have AIs fighting for them. Humans sit back and watch the fight from a safe distance. And both sides agree that the outcome of their AIs would determine the outcome of the war. Then no human life is lost.
 
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