Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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Zahid

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If J-31 is any good, It would definitely be in PAF. Pakistan's economy is growing at more than 4% and the rate of growth is accelerating. Based on expected nominations for Trump's team (like Tulsi Gabbard for example), new F-16s seem likely to be off the table. There would certainly be fiscal space for J-31. While PAF is busy with JF-17, there is little else it might do. There is still time and unless CAC comes up with a single-engine Fifth generation (of which there is some chatter), Pakistan would likely be the launch customer of J-31 a few years down the road.
 

Equation

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If J-31 is any good, It would definitely be in PAF. Pakistan's economy is growing at more than 4% and the rate of growth is accelerating. Based on expected nominations for Trump's team (like Tulsi Gabbard for example), new F-16s seem likely to be off the table. There would certainly be fiscal space for J-31. While PAF is busy with JF-17, there is little else it might do. There is still time and unless CAC comes up with a single-engine Fifth generation (of which there is some chatter), Pakistan would likely be the launch customer of J-31 a few years down the road.

I would like to see Pakistan as Co-developer to the J-31 and make an export version as well.
 

Ariana

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Hi everybody
I believe that iran one of the most potential customers of J-31, and perhaps Corporation for development J-31, like Sino/pak JF-17.
Especially the speech of Iranian Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces "Major-General MOHAMMAD BAQERI" about Comprehensive and Strategic Corporation with China.
 

plawolf

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Iran is too much of a political hot potato for there to be much prospect of such a high profile military co-operation deal between China and Iran.

Although if the sales and marketing people at SAC are any good, they will be hinting like mad at Iranian interest in the project, especially to their arch nemesis the Saudis.

Even if the FC31 might not be enough to clinch Saudi funding on its own merits, the Saudis might still be willing to 'buy' the project if that means keeping the fighter and technology out of Iranian hands.

While all the recent big ticket UAV deals with SA, UAE and other Gulf countries have indeed significantly improved the chances of other major purchases of Chinese military hardware by those said same countries, we need to also remember that those are filthy rich countries that other vendors will be eying with great interest.

If SA and UAE came sniffing, I am sure Russia would make the PAKFA available (if they are not already proactively marketing it to them).

As such, it would be a mistake to assume that the FC31 is the 'logical choice because it is also the only choice'.

At the end of the day, it will mostly boil down to the capabilities and performance of the FC31 itself, as well as the credibility of SAC in delivering.

I think this is where SAC fell down hard with the PLAAF - their credibility is shot with the PLAAF after decades of over-promising and under-performing, especially the mess they made with the Flanker line.

My guess is that the PLAAF simply lost faith that they can delivery what they promised, and are not giving them money until they see real results rather that more of the same empty promises.

That was the primary reason for SAC to go it along in building the prototypes, to try and prove to the PLAAF that they can deliver.

Sadly for them, it seems the PLAAF assessment of their capabilities are better than their own, because the first flying prototype, while a significant feat, still fell short of promises and/or expectations, which is why the PLAAF continues to show zero interest and SAC itself is devoting resources towards building the improved MK2 version over clocking flight time hours with the existing prototype.

Unless SAC can break with a habit of a lifetime and actually pull a magic bunny out of the hat with the FC31 MK2, I think their best chance to an actual order for the FC31 lies from political plays rather than selling the bird purely on its own merits.

That is why I suggested they play up the Iranian angle to try and get the Saudis to pony up if only to block Iran.

The Saudis are certainly rich and unaccountable enough to be able to buy both the PAKFA and FC31, so I think it's a real possibility. Just not the near sure thing some others have almost implied.
 

Ariana

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Iran has Bad experience from cooperation with Russia.
- In 1995 broken down Contract with Iran for buy more Mig-29 and su-24 weapons and equipment, Even Technical Manual maintenance(iran buy from Belarus and Libya)
- In 2007 broken down contract for development of "Light Combat /Trainer Aircraft"
- In 2010 Cut technical support for Mig-29 and Termination of RD-33 engine Contract
- And "BIG Violation Of A Treaty" in S-300 Contract, An international court ruling in favor of Iran and explicitly condemns Russia for lack of delivery s-300.
- NOW IRAN Should trust the Russian?! Why?!
But China is a New and Reliable Partner for Iran.
 

Ariana

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while EU,Japan, Korea Cut buy oil from iran. And all European, Korea, Japanese, Russian company left iran whereas have obligation، China continue buy oil from iran, and Chinese companies continues work with iran "IN DARK DAY'S
A few weeks ago Chinese Defence ministry visited iran and SAY: China and iran have Strategic military tie's and ,And wants to expand military tie's, and news about Chinese suggestions for SELL chengdu j10 to iran in 2014, it shows that two country begun new season in Bilateral tie's.
 

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while EU,Japan, Korea Cut buy oil from iran. And all European, Korea, Japanese, Russian company left iran whereas have obligation، China continue buy oil from iran, and Chinese companies continues work with iran "IN DARK DAY'S
A few weeks ago Chinese Defence ministry visited iran and SAY: China and iran have Strategic military tie's and ,And wants to expand military tie's, and news about Chinese suggestions for SELL chengdu j10 to iran in 2014, it shows that two country begun new season in Bilateral tie's.


Even if I agree in general with Your estimation, I think it is still a long way before Iran will buy J-10s - that were indeed offered in 2014 (which itself is nothing special) but rejected due to the poor experiences with the Chinese J-7s and again in competition to the Su-30 and rejected again - and even more a longer way, before Iran will be involved into development or purchase of the FC-31, esp. if China want to sell that type also to SA and other Middle Eastern Arab countries.


By the way, at first SAC needs to bring that damn thing into the air.

Deino
 
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