Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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I know I shouldn't post this, but I can't resist after reading it. :rolleyes:



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This is rather to be expected as we haven't seen a lot of aerobatic type maneuvering from the J-20 either, other than a few "aileron rolls". It seems the Chinese have a little different perspective on "air combat maneuvering". One of the reasons Red Flag and Top-Gun came to the fore was to "ingrain" this type of flying into the curriculum in order to bring people up to a high level of "airmanship", where aircraft maneuvering was second nature.

The J-31 proof of concept is likely to valuable at this stage to take a chance with.
 

Deino

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If j-31 were mean for export is super cruise required?
could a pair of ws13 do that?

To admit the WS-13 is for me almost as mystical as the Yeti, the monster of Loch Ness or Bigfoot. As such I'm highly skeptical about this engine ... We've heard since hears from this powerplant, we've heard about problems, a test flight in a JF-17, problems and delays again but so - at least as far as I remember - not even a single image is known !

Is this engine still alive or has it died already a silent death similar to the WP-14 Kunlun ??

Deino
 

DigoSSA

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Personally I think and hope that Pakistan starts saving money and allocating it for the FC-31

Let's skip the J10A/B/C and go for the 5th generation fighter after JF-17 Block III

That would be good to balance the Indian Rafale post 2020

Pakistan Air Force Colonel: We do not buy the F-31
2014-11-12 14:46:14 Source: Netease military

Colonel Aamir: F-31 is a very good fighter, even better "Fierce Dragon" performance ratio. But I think the "Fierce Dragon" Air Force is currently able to meet our needs, there is no intention to buy.
Pakistan Air Force Colonel: We do not buy the F-31



November 12 morning, Netease military in front of reporters for the Pakistan Air Force Colonel Aamir had an exclusive interview, the Pakistan Air Force, he was a senior representative of the exhibition. It is worth mentioning that, in the booth across from the Palestinian side is that the F-31 stealth fighter model stands. The following is a reporter's interview with Colonel Aamir.

Do you think the "Fierce Dragon" fighter (Pakistan called JF-17) how to behave in the Pakistan Air Force?

Colonel Aamir: I think the "Fierce Dragon" is a very good fighter, maintenance, performance is very good, our Air Force pilots on the "Fierce Dragon" evaluation are very high.

How do you see for the F-31 "falcon Eagle" stealth fighter? Are Pakistan Air Force intends to buy?

Colonel Aamir: F-31 is a very good fighter, even better "Fierce Dragon" performance ratio. But I think the "Fierce Dragon" Air Force is currently able to meet our needs, there is no intention to buy.

Do you think the Pakistan Air Force in the future the possibility of cooperation in use "Fierce Dragon" fighter, the introduction of the F-31 it?

Colonel Aamir: I think it is very possible that Pakistan aircraft research and development, there are many places to learn from China.

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gullible

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To admit the WS-13 is for me almost as mystical as the Yeti, the monster of Loch Ness or Bigfoot. As such I'm highly skeptical about this engine ... We've heard since hears from this powerplant, we've heard about problems, a test flight in a JF-17, problems and delays again but so - at least as far as I remember - not even a single image is known !

Is this engine still alive or has it died already a silent death similar to the WP-14 Kunlun ??

Deino

assume ws13 is dead & j31 were for export what engine powers that?
probably not meant for super cruise except stealth
 

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Dr. Singer and I took a cheap shot at FP for linking the J-31's Zhuhai appearance with Obama's APEC attendance.

Much has been made of China’s J-31 stealth fighter making an appearance at the 2014 Zhuhai Airshow (too much in fact; for example Foreign Policy magazine tried to tie the news to Obama’s visit this week, despite the fact that the airshow has been going on since 1996 and the plane flying since 2012), but what can we learn from the appearance?

Made by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC), it is highly likely that the J-31 with be China's version of Joint Strike Fighter; its development is expected to spiral into both PLAAF and PLANAF variants. However, the J-31’s primary mission at Zhuhai has been to hunt for export customers. Beyond Chinese sales, likely customers for the J-31 include nations that have operated earlier generation Chinese export fighters like the F-7 and JF-17 (such as Pakistan and Egypt), as well as those looking for less expensive or non US alternatives.

Currently, "31001" is a technology demonstrator for SAC's stealth fighter technology. Hence it uses preexisting systems, like the Russian RD-93 engines found on the FC-1 fighter, as well as having an older two piece canopy over the cockpit. "31001" was stated at the Zhuhai 2012 airshow to have a combat weight of 17.6 tons; like the transition from the X-35 to the F-35, production variants of the J-31 are likely to be heavier than the demonstrator.

While "31001" flew crowd pleasing maneuvers at Zhuhai, an new and updated scale model of the J-31, or FC-31 in its export designation, on display shows changes that would come to any likely final plane. The new model has redesigned wings, clipped at the corners to enhance stealth, and all new vertical stabilizers, which has been enhanced for stealth. The new model also has an Infrared Search and Track (IRST) sensor installed on the underside of its nose, to enable the J-31 to track the heat signatures of enemy aircraft. The new model also has redesigned, stealth optimized engine nozzles, which suggest that a Chinese 10-11 ton thrust engine will ultimately replace the Russian RD-93. Notably, such future engines could allow the J-31 to supercruise, a feature that the F-35 does not have.

The J-31 is clearly intended to be a true “fifth generation” fighter, not only in stealth but also in sensor fusion and flight avionics. To its advantage, the J-31 does not have the difficult challenge of producing a design that allows both traditional flight and a STVOL variant like the F-35B. However, the great challenges in producing a multi-role fifth generation fighter and high performance engines means that SAC has its work cut out for having the J-31 enter service in 2022, a decade after its first flight.

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Pakistan Air Force Colonel: We do not buy the F-31
2014-11-12 14:46:14 Source: Netease military

Colonel Aamir: F-31 is a very good fighter, even better "Fierce Dragon" performance ratio. But I think the "Fierce Dragon" Air Force is currently able to meet our needs, there is no intention to buy.
Pakistan Air Force Colonel: We do not buy the F-31



November 12 morning, Netease military in front of reporters for the Pakistan Air Force Colonel Aamir had an exclusive interview, the Pakistan Air Force, he was a senior representative of the exhibition. It is worth mentioning that, in the booth across from the Palestinian side is that the F-31 stealth fighter model stands. The following is a reporter's interview with Colonel Aamir.

Do you think the "Fierce Dragon" fighter (Pakistan called JF-17) how to behave in the Pakistan Air Force?

Colonel Aamir: I think the "Fierce Dragon" is a very good fighter, maintenance, performance is very good, our Air Force pilots on the "Fierce Dragon" evaluation are very high.

How do you see for the F-31 "falcon Eagle" stealth fighter? Are Pakistan Air Force intends to buy?

Colonel Aamir: F-31 is a very good fighter, even better "Fierce Dragon" performance ratio. But I think the "Fierce Dragon" Air Force is currently able to meet our needs, there is no intention to buy.

Do you think the Pakistan Air Force in the future the possibility of cooperation in use "Fierce Dragon" fighter, the introduction of the F-31 it?

Colonel Aamir: I think it is very possible that Pakistan aircraft research and development, there are many places to learn from China.

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i don't think something from 163.com is trustworthy. Please be careful here without sourcing.

Even if this is true, there is no reason at this point PAF would know about an aircraft that's at least 10 years away.

To admit the WS-13 is for me almost as mystical as the Yeti, the monster of Loch Ness or Bigfoot. As such I'm highly skeptical about this engine ... We've heard since hears from this powerplant, we've heard about problems, a test flight in a JF-17, problems and delays again but so - at least as far as I remember - not even a single image is known !

Is this engine still alive or has it died already a silent death similar to the WP-14 Kunlun ??

Deino

I think there is a program, but not sure when it will be ready. I'm guessing 2025.
 

Airwolf

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Pakistan Air Force Colonel: We do not buy the F-31
2014-11-12 14:46:14 Source: Netease military

Colonel Aamir: F-31 is a very good fighter, even better "Fierce Dragon" performance ratio. But I think the "Fierce Dragon" Air Force is currently able to meet our needs, there is no intention to buy.
Pakistan Air Force Colonel: We do not buy the F-31



November 12 morning, Netease military in front of reporters for the Pakistan Air Force Colonel Aamir had an exclusive interview, the Pakistan Air Force, he was a senior representative of the exhibition. It is worth mentioning that, in the booth across from the Palestinian side is that the F-31 stealth fighter model stands. The following is a reporter's interview with Colonel Aamir.

Do you think the "Fierce Dragon" fighter (Pakistan called JF-17) how to behave in the Pakistan Air Force?

Colonel Aamir: I think the "Fierce Dragon" is a very good fighter, maintenance, performance is very good, our Air Force pilots on the "Fierce Dragon" evaluation are very high.

How do you see for the F-31 "falcon Eagle" stealth fighter? Are Pakistan Air Force intends to buy?

Colonel Aamir: F-31 is a very good fighter, even better "Fierce Dragon" performance ratio. But I think the "Fierce Dragon" Air Force is currently able to meet our needs, there is no intention to buy.

Do you think the Pakistan Air Force in the future the possibility of cooperation in use "Fierce Dragon" fighter, the introduction of the F-31 it?

Colonel Aamir: I think it is very possible that Pakistan aircraft research and development, there are many places to learn from China.

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Since when did PAF started having "Colonel" rank? They had wing commander equivalent to lt. Colonel and group captain for full colonel.
 

Equation

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To admit the WS-13 is for me almost as mystical as the Yeti, the monster of Loch Ness or Bigfoot. As such I'm highly skeptical about this engine ... We've heard since hears from this powerplant, we've heard about problems, a test flight in a JF-17, problems and delays again but so - at least as far as I remember - not even a single image is known !

Is this engine still alive or has it died already a silent death similar to the WP-14 Kunlun ??

Deino

Do we know for sure that the WS-13 is dead or a myth? It may still be going on without us knowing it's progress. Remember people used to think J-20 was myth, along with the WS-10 engines, DF-21D ASBM, and etc.
 
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