Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

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Jeff Head

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but the J-18 is more similar to the F-35.

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is somewhere a J-18 Thread??
That photo of the J-18 is a pathetic PS of an F-35. Please stop posting it here as if though it is an actual J-18 picture.

Someone added the red stars and the wheels the doctored up the front...and did a poor job of doing it I might add.
 
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kwaigonegin

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I still think the F-22 is the most advanced, way better than the F-35.

no F-22 is definitely not more advanced. More capable yes especially in A2A which it will easily eat F-35 for lunch, breakfast and dinner but advanced from a technology standpoint not possible since it was designed a good 10-15 years earlier.
 

Air Force Brat

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no F-22 is definitely not more advanced. More capable yes especially in A2A which it will easily eat F-35 for lunch, breakfast and dinner.

I believe that is exactly what he meant by advanced, and the F-22 has a few tricks up its own sleeve that the more "advanced" F-35, J-20, PAK-FA, or J-31 will likely never achieve, the airframe of the F-22 is far more refined or maybe "defined" would be a more appropriate word. Going back my earlier point was that the J-31 will likely go for "simplicity", leaving the much more expensive "complexity" to the US and her partners, but embracing the light, sufficient wing, mass centralization, which will make the J-31 very capable, and more affordable than the "competition"?
 

Inst

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I wouldn't be surprised if the J-31 came in both high and low export variants, depending on the needs of the end-user.

One BIG advantage the J-31 has over the F-35 is that it uses twin medium-thrust engines, as opposed to a single high-thrust engine. As I was about to mention in the aerodynamics thread, one big advantage of smaller engines or sub-sized engines is that they need relatively lower materials tolerances than larger engines, because the amount of pressure per square inch at a given specific heat is lower. This means that smaller engines are easier to make to high tolerances than larger engines, just as an ant can lift many times its own weight, while an elephant can barely get itself locomotive.

Take the Eurojet engines used in the Eurofighter, for instance. Their initial variants were targeted at ~80kn of thrust, while their upgraded Ej2x0 variants are targeted at 100kn of thrust. The terminal plans for rthe Ej2x0 engines involve engines with something around 130kn of thrust each, suggesting a 13:1 T/W on the Eurojets, which surpasses the thrust to weight ratio on any other jet engine.

Now, for all we know, the F-35 will eventually have 240kn engines, because American and British engine technology is about a generation ahead of everyone else, but for what it has right now, it has a measly 190kn thrust engine that gives it about a .86 T/W ratio at best. With 230kn engines, though, it would be have a thrust to weight ratio more competitive to the Raptor, and might end up being capable of decent supersonic supercruise, helping to alleviate its BVR deficiencies.

However, for the J-31, we know that the RD-93 exists at between 80 and 95kn thrust, that the WS-13A is designed for 100kn thrust, and that there is a next-generation WS-17 project intended towards the late 2010s early 2020s time frame. What would the total thrust be on the WS-17? A reasonable guess would be around 120kn, giving the J-31 a total thrust of 240kn, and giving it a thrust to weight ratio above unity if it were to weigh around the same as a F-35.

Besides that, if the J-31 is intended as a carrier fighter, it'll be able to come out much later than the J-20, so it can be designed around the WS-17.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Val this should be in the F35 thread, First
Second JAGM is for Helicopters and Low speed Drones. at this point in time that is it's targeted market.
 

rhino123

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I falsly wrote JSM, which is the version of the Naval Strike Missile for the use on F-35 and F-18 plattforms...
I talk about the JAGM, which can carried. Its a short range anti surface missile (anti tank).

For long range strikes, the US F-35 uses JASSM cruisse missile and JSOW precision guided glide bomb.
Also a series of cluster bombs (for example MK.20 Rockeye II) and JDAMS/Paveways guided bombs and freefall bombs like the Mark 80 series. Also the F-35 is able to carry the new SMD glide bomb. A version of the anti radiation air to surface missile HARM can also carried.

The JSM can carried in the internal weapon stations, but the JASSM and the Storm Shadow can only carried at the external weapon stations under the wings. I researched very well, but i think some people don't read my posts very well.

pls read my posts first

Can we stop derailing from this thread and go back to J-31? F-35 is a capable aircraft, very advance and excellent fighter, period.

J-31 is the lo in the hi-lo mixture of Chinese stealth fighters platform. It is lighter, smaller and if the PLAAF or PLAN wanted to use it, it will most probably be cheaper and more affordable platform to get, or as many had rumored, be for aircraft carriers.
 

kwaigonegin

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I falsly wrote JSM, which is the version of the Naval Strike Missile for the use on F-35 and F-18 plattforms...
I talk about the JAGM, which can carried. Its a short range anti surface missile (anti tank).

For long range strikes, the US F-35 uses JASSM cruisse missile and JSOW precision guided glide bomb.
Also a series of cluster bombs (for example MK.20 Rockeye II) and JDAMS/Paveways guided bombs and freefall bombs like the Mark 80 series. Also the F-35 is able to carry the new SMD glide bomb. A version of the anti radiation air to surface missile HARM can also carried.

The JSM can carried in the internal weapon stations, but the JASSM and the Storm Shadow can only carried at the external weapon stations under the wings. I researched very well, but i think some people don't read my posts very well.

We're trying to figure out what point you're trying to make. Are you rehashing Wikipedia or asking questions? We're a friendly and helpful bunch and many of us here know the defense industry pretty well and can answer many of your questions.

Also you need to move your posts to the f35 thread if you intend on keeping it strictly f35. Comparison with j31 is natural but when you're talking jsow, jssm,jagm j-whatever its time to relocate to the right thread.
 

Jeff Head

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All of the direct F-35 posts are being moved to the F-35 thread. If you are looking for them, that is where they are.

Valapak, quit arguing with other members who have tried to help you, and making excuses for what you said. You said JSM...JSM is nothing like JAGM. You made a mistake and that is fine, and, in fact, in that first post, you asked for people to correct you regarding the JSM. Othe posters have done that. Let it go.

Keep this thread on topic about the J-31.

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Aeronaut

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Advance apologies for asking an off topic question as i didn't find an appropriate thread.

Q : How far is Chinese HMS/HMD development going and if there are any products out or known to be under development which could be deployed on the Chinese aircrafts like the J-10B, J-31, J-20 and JF-17s?

Aeronaut, this is off topic. But you are right, there is no thread for addressing this. So, I have moved your question over to a new thread:

China HUD/HMS/HMD/DASH/IHADSS/HMSC Development Thread

Please answer Aeronaut's question, and/or direct discussion about the development of such systems by China there.
 
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Some day ... maybe ... hopefully !! :p
 

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