Shenyang FC-31 / J-31 Fighter Demonstrator

Subedei said:

precisely the same lines as my own conjecture. but, isn't this somewhat of a waste of stealth capabilities, which, i thought, are to exploit sensory limitations of opposing iads?

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Well you make a good point Subedei, and its likely the J-31 will provide aircover if in fact the J-15s ever really have to go to war, but, even flying top-cap if the bad guys can't find you, they can't shoot you, and since you've got all the power of the fleet it is likely that the J-31 will enjoy a similar link as the F-35 will exercise, minimizing emmissions, while receiving Situational awareness from your other early warning systems, and if the J-31 is half or even a third as stealthy as the Raptor, they may have the homefield advantage. The US will not start a shooting war with the Chinese, but we will defend our partners if they are threatened, and thats the dirty little secret, everybody knows, that we don't mind walking down the street with our 30-30s in our hands and our colts on our hips, slung loooow like gunfighters, because we are the real deal. But we really don't want to get gunpowder on our white gloves, That is called deterance, thats why we're moving East, to keep the peace, just like the Lone Ranger! So everyone will play the games people play, but we all need to be carefull, and diplomacy will be the name of the game, as bd has alluded to, the Liaoning likely has at least one, maybe a pair of US fast attack boats as her "body guards", those attack boat and boomer Capts. have broad discressiong when it comes to engagement. Its likely the PLAN will begin to seriously go on some fishing trips in a effort to ping away, to find out who's coming to dinner? The J-31 or even the J-20 might someday do a little baby sitting of their own on the US fleet?

Air Force Brat said:

Well you make a good point Subedei, and its likely the J-31 will provide aircover if in fact the J-15s ever really have to go to war, but, even flying top-cap if the bad guys can't find you, they can't shoot you, and since you've got all the power of the fleet it is likely that the J-31 will enjoy a similar link as the F-35 will exercise, minimizing emmissions, while receiving Situational awareness from your other early warning systems, and if the J-31 is half or even a third as stealthy as the Raptor, they may have the homefield advantage. The US will not start a shooting war with the Chinese, but we will defend our partners if they are threatened, and thats the dirty little secret, everybody knows, that we don't mind walking down the street with our 30-30s in our hands and our colts on our hips, slung loooow like gunfighters, because we are the real deal. But we really don't want to get gunpowder on our white gloves, That is called deterance, thats why we're moving East, to keep the peace, just like the Lone Ranger! So everyone will play the games people play, but we all need to be carefull, and diplomacy will be the name of the game, as bd has alluded to, the Liaoning likely has at least one, maybe a pair of US fast attack boats as her "body guards", those attack boat and boomer Capts. have broad discressiong when it comes to engagement. Its likely the PLAN will begin to seriously go on some fishing trips in a effort to ping away, to find out who's coming to dinner? The J-31 or even the J-20 might someday do a little baby sitting of their own on the US fleet?

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Threatening is not the same as going to war, Iran threaten to wipe Israel off the face of earth for a while now, and nothing happens. I think what are you trying to say is US will come to it is allies aid when they are being attacked.

However that raise a new question, what if your allies is the one that is the aggressor in the conflict? And what if your ally decide to pick a fight that it KNOW it cannot win unless they drag in the US.

As for J-31, besides interceptor, I believe it will also serve as mobile awacs plane. Those AESA radar when combined together in datalink will provide very good situational awareness for the group.

i like the way China exposes its military

first they showed model of the plane, then rumours started that work has started, then we seen a fighter covered up on the back of a truck being paraded from a high way to the test centre (even AFM picked that up and had a article) and then we see it do runway testing then maiden flight yes that is J-31

good slow leak and doesnt given anyone a heart attack

on the other hand bang!!!! J-20 hits te scene like a bomb and whole worlds media has it flash accross thier papers

China makes sure we see only what they want us to see, so now my question is, what have they actually got planned!!

Guys ... last warning !!!

No more much tooooooooo loooong off-topic discussions spiced up by personnell attacks ... this is the J-31 tread.

Deino

wow, there're 4 or 5 clearer new photos of 31001 on CD today...no time to upload at the moment... anyone does the honor?

P.S. Deino, it's called F-60 or F-60 AMF for this 310 project, at least for now. No way it is/will be called J-31 which is a misnomer. I think the thread title should be changed accordingly.

Vini_Vidi_Vici said:

"When it's installed, we will then talk about it"

what's your point? TVC is useless?

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His TVC is not ready to install, hence the point is MOOT! It is a game changer, and anyone on this forum who touts the ineffectiveness of TVC, only has to look at the Raptor, and anyone on here who is convinced the Typhoon will defeat the Raptor in a real life scenario is smoking something illegal and washing it down with buckets of Seagrams 7. The fact that China is not actively flying TVC is a choice they have made, that F-35A category manueverability will likely get the job done, but when you get ugly with the Raptor, you WILL DIE. The closing of the Raptor production line has emboldened many and lowered the gold standard, but it would be very foolish to make assumptions based on internet fanboys arguing, canard vs TVC, vs Canard with TVC, the USAF choose the Raptor, the F-31 may well be in the same league, but it Will require TVC to match the Raptor! That boys is just SCIENCE, the laws of aerodynamics are immutable!

Speeder said:

wow, there're 4 or 5 clearer new photos of 31001 on CD today...no time to upload at the moment... anyone does the honor?

P.S. Deino, it's called F-60 or F-60 AMF for this 310 project, at least for now. No way it is/will be called J-31 which is a misnomer. I think the thread title should be changed accordingly.

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Hmmm not sure, which images You mean but the ones "j10" posted are either old, psed or a collage in comparison to the J-22/-35 and T50.

Regarding the title, I'm not sure either since F-60 is so far only called the model published some time ago. If it is a "misnomer" I'm also not sure even if I agree that J-21 is IMO the most likely designation. So for I would prefer to wait a bit longer until to change the title.

Anyway thanks.

Deino

delft said:

OT
Nearly fifty years ago I was walking at Schiphol when a BAC 1-11 ( two Spey engines ) flew over me to land a few hundred meters away and a minute later I experienced the horrible smell of those engines.

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Thats the difference between you and I bro, I couldn't wait for my buddy Ted to light off those Garretts as I manned the APU right behind the port engine, first the low growl as the geared turbines started to spin, the pitch gradually increasing as those Nicads spun up the big four bladed props rising to a low scream, and then whoossshh as the fuel was added to the hot section, about a four foot bright yellow flame, [fuel controllers a little off], as she lit, the low scream increasing from about 19% rpm as she spun up to 100% to the howl of a banshee, the propwash blowing the warm sweet smell of burnt kerosene around. As I waited for the Starboard engine, to repeat the same glorious awakening to that beautifull stereo Howl of Life, like some primordial beast being awakened, quivering in anticipation, unplug, pull my cart out of the way and salute my bro as he advanced the power levers and gave those big props permission to chew the air to pieces and spit it out! In the same way the J-31 will come to life, she will take her rightfull place in this aerial ballet called military aviation, someone will love her, maybe be a little afraid of what she might do if he doesn't give her the attention and love she demands, sense her power and beauty, and finally point her down the runway and let her live as a bird of prey, leaping into the air, ready to do her masters bidding, protecting her ship, or her homeland, mercilessly anxious to follow the commands of her master and do his bidding, as he follow the orders of his master, to kill or be killed, this is not play, its not work, it is life! She will protect her master until she loses, then she will mercifully spit him out to live on, as she faces her death alone. This all happens because of OIL, the fuel that powers the engine of freedom!

Deino said:

Hmmm not sure, which images You mean but the ones "j10" posted are either old, psed or a collage in comparison to the J-22/-35 and T50.

Regarding the title, I'm not sure either since F-60 is so far only called the model published some time ago. If it is a "misnomer" I'm also not sure even if I agree that J-21 is IMO the most likely designation. So for I would prefer to wait a bit longer until to change the title.

Anyway thanks.

Deino

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when each type of aircraft is put up like that I can;t help but gasp! at how big the J-20 is compared to it's rivals. That is a very very BIG plane.
Is it bigger than the F-111? it'll be interesting if someone can do a scale side by side comparison.

Speeder said:

wow, there're 4 or 5 clearer new photos of 31001 on CD today...no time to upload at the moment... anyone does the honor?

P.S. Deino, it's called F-60 or F-60 AMF for this 310 project, at least for now. No way it is/will be called J-31 which is a misnomer. I think the thread title should be changed accordingly.

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According to wikipedia regarding J31 is the domestic version while F-60 is the export version.